Tulsi Gabbard Is Being Boosted by Putin Apologists

Both Democrats and Republicans are in for a rude awakening. Trump was just the start of the anger Americans are feeling towards both parties.

 

Now I agree with that, flyboy.

 

She's literally not the real deal. She is not a democratic socialist and neither is Bernie. They do not advocate for workplace democracy. Workers control over production. That is socialism. Not Medicare-For-All and certainly not The Green New Deal, which is a fraud.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/corpo...green-in-ocasio-cortez-green-new-deal/253076/

It calls for "industry" insiders to craft climate legislation that continues our dependence on fossil fuels. Unlike Tulsi Gabbard's Off Fossil Fuels Act, which AOC has ignored since she was elected to the HOR.



Ask yourself why would AOC promote the GND resolution and ignore actionable legislation that is superior?

 

Socialists don't like Democratic Socialism. Tough.

 

Same thing. Both advocate for expanding democracy to the economic sphere. Bernie is an FDR social democrat.

 

Another war before the next election would give the Democrats a chance - especially Gabbard.

 

Guilt By Who Happens To Support You!
<sigh>


My biggest disappointment with Trump is he did not get out of
Afghanistan as promised.
Who else is speaking of less deployments besides Gabbard?


Moi

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Maybe "we" could employ Homefront to support Biden

 

You are confusing socialism with Democratic Socialists. AOC and the Justice Democrats organization do not believe the established Democrats have gone far enough to fight climate change or provide universal healthcare for all. They are not talking about government ownership of companies which is socialism.

 

So only when the "patter" applies to the RNC you agree. I see you. Liberal democrats know they are in for a fight which is why they are loading up the race with more liberal candidates in hopes of drowning out the progressive candidates. How many candidates now? 23. It's become tit for tat with the liberals and the progressives.

 

No it's not. It's what I said it is.

Workers' control - Wikipedia

Let me introduce you to my friend, Dr. Richard Wolff. "An American Marxian economist, known for his work on economic methodology, and class analysis. He is Professor Emeritus of Economics at the University of Massachusetts Amherst."





What you're referring to is state capitalism.

 

Get out your trusty dictionary Jake. His short statement is very easy to understand when English is one's primary language.

 

You have no idea what I have said then and your rant shows that. The progs are not the mainstream of the Dem Party, as primary season will show to you.

 

Progressives don't want to be known as Democrats. They want to be known as Democratic Socialists. And what I am saying is the DS want to oust the liberal Democrats with the help of the Justice Democrat organization. Liberal democrats are fighting two fronts, the Republicans and now the DS. When Biden asked Harris to join him as his VP Harris replied back by telling Biden to be her VP. This is just the beginning of what is to come. The DNC will not be able to avoid the party's turmoil that is coming because people are simply angry with the lack of progress the liberal Democrats have made regarding social issues.

 

This is not just far right totalitarianism - This is far left totalitarianism as well - a meeting of extremists at the far end of the spectrum.

The author of this article is human garbage.

 

Arming Al Qaeda and ISIS with sophisticated military technology - including surface to air missiles which are perfect for taking out civilian aircraft - was stunningly stupid. On this we agree.

The blame for this however lies not only with Obama/Clinton (although they were knee deep in the swamp).

The "Stop Arming Terrorist Act" - the aim of which was to stop this kind of thing that happened in Syria - managed to get 13 cosigners (which were bipartisan) out of 435.

When Rand Paul introduced this bill in the Senate - he garnered a total of Zero (0).

 

It's an example - and there are countless others - of members of Congress obeying their party leaders like trained monkeys instead of using the brains God gave them.

Gabbard has always been right about Syria. Our enemy is Al Qaeda in its various forms. Our enemy was not Libya, nor was it Syria. True, there were things not to like about their leaders and the way they governed their countries, but they were no threat to us.

Gabbard is not really a dove in the classic sense. She is a Major in the Hawaii National Guard. She is a combat veteran. You will never catch her denigrating our military or sounding soft about our true enemies. But, like many combat veterans, she does not want our national reputation, our wealth, and the lives of our young people wasted on useless, interventionist wars of choice. My son is combat veteran of 4 deployments. He has seen war up close. No one I know is a tougher, more loyal American than he is. But he is the same way.

Politics can sometimes make strange bedfellows. But, until and unless he proves me wrong, I think Trump is also not interested in these types of wars. I don't think he would hesitate to defend the country from a real threat, but I don't think he is searching for a reason to go to war, and I don't think he sees war as a first option in dealing with our adversaries or just simply countries or leaders we don't like. Time will tell if I'm right. I hope I am.

 

Don't compare Tulsi Gabbard with Obama who was evil incarnate in my book. Obama was made president by none other than George Soros of 'chaos' and 'regime change' fame. Tulsi Gabbard is a bit of fresh air and humanity, and other than her I love Rand Paul.

Do you think either one will be allowed to become presidents by the Deep State and Soros? I don't think so! But if the people prevail, and she manages to get the funds to run a campaign, then she's going to undergo what Trump went through - that is unless she accommodates the Deep State.

As an example of the Deep State influence in Washington, I heard George HW Bush say that when he knew Dick Cheney he was different then when he became VP under his son, and believes his influence came through the women. What women? I know that Victoria Nuland of 'F*ck the EU' fame, was Cheney's assistance and maybe even his lover, who knows? (She seems to have a way with men - especially Gen. Breedlove).

As for her husband Robert Kagan, well he and his family are known as the biggest neo cons in Washington.

 

Anti-Russian fearmongering is both a sword and a shield for the corrupt ruling classes.

As a shield, anti-Russian fearmongering allows the ruling classes to distract the masses from elite deviancy and corruption.

As a sword, anti-Russian fearmongering allows the ruling classes to lazily smear opponents of the establishment.

Anyone, whether left or right, who challenges the corrupt status quo will be instantly labeled as a "Putin apologist" because the status quo cannot be defended with evidence and logic. All they have at this point is incessant name-calling and lying. It remains to be seen if the masses will be swayed by these dirty tactics.

As for Tulsi, they aren't going to scare her or deter her from speaking the truth. She's the real deal. And that is why they hate and fear her so much. Unlike Donald Trump, she will actually end the forever war and the police state that started in 2001. If that happens, the fascist oligarchy who rules our society stands to lose billions or even trillions of dollars in potential profits. They will do anything they have to in order to protect their bloody profiteering, to include destroying the reputation of an American patriot like Tulsi.

 

The CIA created Al Qaeda during the cold war. And the Saudi regime - in full cooperation with the CIA - has been arming and financing AQ ever since. So it's no mystery why the US political class has no interest in supporting those bills. The "war on terror" is a blatant psy-op meant to control the population and wage war with impunity. We are living in a political dystopia very similar to the one described by Orwell in 1984.

 

Agreed (I should probably state that I have advocated for Tulsi in other threads )

The crazy thing about Syria was that you had a battle where on one side you had a group that was fighting for secularism in a Muslim nation - fighting to keep their freedoms. Syria is not an Islamist Theocracy. They do not enforce Sharia. They do not stone women for adultery, throw gays off buildings, there is no death penalty for apostasy. Women do not need permission from a man to be educated - they drive cars, freely associate with men who are not direct relatives and choose their own mates - wear skirts and proper bathing suits.

There is drinking and dancing in bars, there are Christian Churches and relative freedom of religion. There are Christian Generals in Assad's army.

The people of Syria fight not because of any love for Assad - they fight to keep their freedoms.

On the other side are the people who want to take those freedoms away. The rebel opposition are radical Islamist extremists who (the whole call to Jihad) want to make Sharia the law of the land.

The first link shows how the "protest movement" which was originally peaceful and moderate - was quickly taken over by the radical Salafi Islamists - killing Christians and telling them to join the "movement" or leave the country. This is prior to armed insurrection breaking out in early 2011.
https://www.christianpost.com/news/...om-anti-government-protestors-in-syria-50104/

The second link is from Senator Richard Black who - like Tulsi- actually went to Syria to see what was going on.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/virgi...ad-for-saving-the-lives-of-christians/5384338

How is it that we ended up on the side of evil ? On the side of Al Qaeda and ISIS ?

The MSM is still hiding the truth from the American public while promoting Establishment propaganda.

As far as Trump is concerned - I do not have the hope that you do. In some ways on the surface he appears not to be an Establishment wonk but, this is simply because the Establishment international financiers are not some monolith - There are different factions and sometimes those factions conflict with each other.

If Trump had balls he would be calling out Obama/Clinton and the Pentagon for what happened in Syria.

 

It is like they are using 1984 as a textbook. Continued support for our annual 1 Trillion dollar Military Industrial Complex spend requires a boogyman.

This also helps to keep the public occupied and divided. A divided and preoccupied public is no threat to the Establishment.

 

War is always a tempting enterprise for the kind of entrenched ruling political class that tends to evolve within Big Governments. Russia and China are not immune from that temptation. Nevertheless, before the 20th century Russia and the US consistently lined up with each other whenever sides had to be chosen. It has been a very useful natural alliance. This time the great militarized states should resist temptation.

 

Women are also allowed to vote in Syria and to hold political office. In 2016, the speaker of Syria's parliament was a woman.

Yet we're all supposed to believe that overthrowing the Syrian government is about "democracy" and "human rights".

Meanwhile, the US government sends billions of dollars worth of military and intelligence aid to Saudi Arabia, a totalitarian, theocratic, misogynistic dictatorship that is currently starving millions of Yemenis to death.

But despite all this, there are still many Americans who tirelessly defend the US government and acidly attack anyone who questions the nobility of US foreign policy. Clearly, brainwashing is alive and well in our supposedly "free" and "democratic" society.

 

It is amazing how brainwashed the masses are. That the Establishment has achieved this level of brainwashing of the public is a feat is worthy of admiration were the motives not so sick, twisted and demented.

Achieving this is no small feat. Part of what has made this possible is the dumbing down of the population. 12 years of school and we manage not to teach the basic principles on which this nation was founded. A kid is given no education with respect to state propaganda and how to think for themselves. 12 years of school and we manage not to teach the basics of Philosophy - Logic, logical fallacy, what constitutes a valid argument.

The purpose of our education system is to teach a kid to Obey - and not question - authority.

 

That's a great question.

I think Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton would answer that they thought that they were not on the side of evil. I think President Obama believed the "Arab Spring" was like the Renaissance - an awakening and a turn from the past. I think he thought it was a benevolent movement that would result in freedom and democracy. And even though Obama made his opposition to the war in Iraq a major issue when he was running for president, when we pulled out of Iraq in 2011, his vice president crowed that Iraq was one of the Obama administration's greatest achievements.

I think this foundational belief he held is what guided him when he decided to bomb the Libyan government into oblivion and when he decided to start aiding the Syrian rebels with arms and training. And I also believe that a strong voice in his ear for these interventions was Hillary Clinton. I believe that because, years later, when running for president, she was still advocating for aggressive military action in Syria in defense of the rebels. Also, I'm sure you remember her laughing out loud as she said of Gaddafi, "We came, we saw, he died."

We know that as governance slipped away from the Syrian authorities, ISIS was able to consolidate and seize a large amount of Syrian territory and then sweep into Iraq nearly to the Baghdad city limits. It must have been a bitter pill for President Obama to swallow to realize that this proxy war he had supported in Syria had backfired and led to this, and he had to reintroduce a combat mission in Iraq to save Iraq and Syria from ISIS.

As a fairly conservative fellow, I have many complaints about Obama. But I will say that he is a thoughtful, intelligent man. And so my gut tells me that he knows these interventions were mistakes. I would like to think that if he had it to do over again with the benefit of 20-20 hindsight, he would not repeat these mistakes.

So, I think it was sort of a "perfect storm" in the White House. You had a President who truly believed in the Arab Spring movement and a Secretary of State who truly believed in using the U.S. military and warfare to bring about change. And the two converged.

I hope that collectively, we learn from these wars. By "we" I mean all of us, R's and D's. I want us to get our troops out of these middle eastern Muslim countries and leave them to their own destiny. As long as they do not threaten us our any of our close allies, I want us to leave them alone. I do not wish to spend any more blood or treasure on trying to make them like us because it won't work, and none of us that I know of raised our children to die for nothing in one of those sh-thole countries.

Seth