American democracy is broken

there'll never be a 'secure' internet, ever

 

Only in America where it is thought to be a developed art form.

You could not be more wrong and you are showing that you don't even know the meaning of the word.

Sarcasm:

If you think contempt is a key-element of any intelligent Debate Forum then I invite you to leave this one.

In the US, where contempt passes for "humour"? Different strokes for different folks ...

 

So no response to the rest of my post. Way to argue, smart guy. (See how sarcasm fits perfectly in this situation?)

 

More sarcasm!

That's all you are good for - typical of the style in which Americans today adore to "exchange opinions".

Learn to "move on" - there's PLENTY to debate on this forum. Just stick with the factual evidence - that you must learn how to find somewhere on the Internet.

Debate in not a "game' (like football) that one tries to win. It is a venue to exchange differences of opinion without descending into the muck of mutual harassment.

Get it ... ?

 

The way to get people to vote is to put up candidates worth voting for. I mean Hillary and now Biden? LOL!

 

Perception of worth is coloured by each voters political ideology and more tragically and more often by a lack of any.

 

Spurious commentary and wholly sarcastic!

Why not Biden or Hillary. What's your argument?

Stop Dumping BS in a Debate Forum ... !

 

Voting should be compulsory. If you had to pay a fine you might bitch, but you'd get there. I'm sorry, but we owe it to all the people who died so we could have it, not voting isn't just shameful it's WRONG, you're spitting on all those people's graves.

Also it would cut all that voter suppression bs off right at the knees.

Not voting is how we got Trump, that should make everybody vote right there.

 

Or when it's not funny

We are a Republic but we ARE democratically based. Protecting us from the abuses of Democracy is why they wrote a Constitution, not established the EC. The EC was to prevent runoff elections and assumed we would not have political parties, which Washington and most all of the Founding Fathers were against. If the FF were around today they would either abolish the EC or make it proportional instead of winner-take-all.

 

And if ignorance were bliss, you'd be in heaven.

Sarcasm is devoid of any sense whatsoever and is not permitted in any Real Debate Forum. Because it diminishes debate and offers not real value of thought or argumentation.

But, of course, one would have to be sufficiently intelligent to understand such a simple rule.

Which, evidently, you are not ...

 

If Russia decides who our next President is...who is losing?

 

Russia can't even decide who will be ITS next president ... !

 

What "abuses of Democracy"? Do you mean these two:
*Gerrymandering that reorganizes voting districts to give one or the other of a two-party system domination, or is it the
*Electoral College that throws away the loser popular-vote and gives the entire state EC-vote to the winner!

Which one is it? Or both ... ?

 

Both and much more really. Those two things are actually abuses of our Constitution. I am referring mainly to the abuses of Democracy that were evident in Ancient Athens. The Founding Fathers were students of this era and children of the Enlightenment so they knew of the controversies surrounding democracy and the various schema that were being designed to obviate them. The Constitution was cleverly designed to utilize most of these and has worked very well at doing that up until now. Indeed, I confidently expect it will continue to do so into the future.

 

"The Electoral College was created for two reasons. The first purpose was to create a buffer between the population and the selection of a President. The second as part of the structure of the government that gave extra power to the smaller states.

The first reason that the founders created the Electoral College is hard to understand today. The founding fathers were afraid of direct election to the Presidency. They feared a tyrant could manipulate public opinion and come to power."

"The Electoral College is also part of compromises made at the convention to satisfy the small states. Under the system of the Electoral College, each state had the same number of electoral votes as they have a representative in Congress. Thus no state could have less than 3."

https://www.historycentral.com/elections/Electoralcollgewhy.html

 

That second paragraph is no longer true. I understand it better than ever.

 

Putin. It's Putin. It's always Putin. Even when it can't be Putin, it's Putin, they just make him PM and switch all it's powers with the Presidency for a term. Then they switch it back and it's Putin.

But they can't decide...

 

I am discouraged from voting because voting never fixes anything. It just changes the names on the door. How elections are decided is meaningless. I suspect I'm not alone in this.

 

The electoral college abuses nothing and protects against democracy which we never have been and do not want to be

 

Who did you vote for in 2016?

 

i think informed citizens should vote

All others should stay home

 

Rumor has it that he's actually had enough.

You may nonetheless be right. It happened once before ...

 

It is ALWAYS better than not-voting - then going off to bitch-in-a-blog ...

 

The fence sitters will alway bitch

They purposely do not voter or fly off on a tangent for some loser who gets 1% of the vote

That way they do not have defend their cadidatebin office and can just attack whoever the winner happens to be

 

He always says something like that. He's tired, or he won't violate the constitution by running for 3 consecutive terms or if people are tired of him they can vote someone else in. Except he's never tired, he serves as PM for a term to break the streak with all the powers of the presidency temperately given to the PM and anyone that offers REAL opposition commits suicide by shooting themselves in the back of the head or eating radioactive sushi.