Like Germany who doesn't understand NATO members should not put themselves at odds with other NATO members Turkey believes it has the right to buy S400 missiles defense systems and US made advanced F35 fighter jet. Both countries are creating a conflict of interest but are too niave to understand this. https://www.foxnews.com/world/turkey-to-retaliate-against-any-us-sanctions-over-s-400-deal ANKARA, Turkey – Turkey's foreign minister says his country will retaliate against any possible U.S. sanctions over its deal with Russia for the purchase of the S-400 missile defense system. Defending Ankara's purchase, Mevlut Cavusoglu told state-run Anadolu Agency on Friday that Turkey can choose its defense equipment as "an independent and free" country. The deal with Russia has soured relations between the two NATO allies. The United States says the S-400s are a threat to its F-35 fighter jet program and has told Turkey it would be excluded from that program. It has also warned Turkey of possible sanctions if it takes delivery of the Russian system. Cavusoglu said Turkey "has counter-steps to take" should the U.S. impose sanctions.
Maybe we should just kick turkey out of NATO and let them do whatever they want. I bet Erdogan would not have the balls to shoot down Russian jets after that.
So trying to dictate Germany its energy politics and trying to force Germany to buy 30% more expensive gas is now "bringing at odds with USA". Are you kidding me? So when i oppose a bank robber i put myself in odds with him?
In one post you say NATO was established to suppress and control Germany. And then in another post you say Germany should stay a NATO member until Germany is capable of defending itself. How can we have a reasonable discussion when you post such rediculous statements? And what exactly do you believe NATO would be protecting Germany from if you also believe Russia is no longer a threat?
You tell me, what does NATO protect us from since we obviously dont see Russia as threat. You also never answered me how you would justify 30% higher energy proces for german citizens and dependence on a country whose current president breaks contracts. If we bow now, our nations independence ceases to exist. We would become slaves.
We are in a world where you pick a team. You go with America and the west or cast your lot with the countries that are desirous of toppling western democracies. You can't have it both ways.
You tell me who NATO is protecting Germany from since you stated previously that Germany should stay with NATO until it is ready to protect itself. So who do you need protection from since NATO was established to protect Europe from Russia? By not building nuclear power plants Germany created it's own dilemma regarding it's energy sources. Now you are justifying your reason why NATO is no longer needed so you can buy cheaper Russian NG.
NATO offered Turkey the Patriot Missile Defense System. Try again. The U.S. ambassador to NATO told CNBC that Turkey’s purchase of a Russian missile system could help the Kremlin in its bid to weaken NATO. Turkish officials reportedly have until the end of this week to cancel the purchase of Russia’s S-400 missile defense system and instead buy Raytheon’s U.S.-made Patriot missile.
The patriot system is less advanced than S400 and more expensive. Its up to USA to make a better offer than the Russians. If you dont want lower the price, offer better tech for same price. Its called capitalism. Just like Germany, i assume Turkey will not give up its freedom and bow to a tyrant. "I ORDER YOU TO BUY MY SYSTEM!" What happened to freedom? Would you accept the same if Germany does that to USA? If we order you to buy something from us?
LOL Germany and freedom? LOL. When? However, Turkey’s freedom died when it replaced secularism with Islam. What is happening now is nothing more than the slow decay of an hollowed out oak tree. Fk ‘em. They’re finished as a NATO ally.
Turkey could not ask for a better outcome. It gets a top of the line missile system - and at the same time does not have to get stuck with the F-35 Lemon.
NATO's role isn't to stop Russia anymore. Russia's GDP is the size of Brazil. If they tried to field an army to take over a country, the logistical supply would bankrupt the Kremlin in about two days. And we would see the forces assembling long before they ever got up to any mischief.
They've either stopped teaching history in German schools or they've transposed every word that says 'Russian' to 'American'. Living under the threat of continuous democracy must be a terrible thing.
Forcing people to pay 30% more for american gas is democracy even so the german people want the pipeline with russia tio get cheaper energy? You are free to explain this. How is it democracy when a foreign power tries to push its will on a free nation?
Yeah, that's the right philosophy just like if your friend picks a fight you must help him out if he's getting his butt kicked .... and little girls shouldn't blow the whistle on their fathers who sexually molests them either. Your way of looking at things is the reason why the U.S. never amounted to anything.