Trump approves strikes on Iran, but then abruptly pulls back

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  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In my estimation Japan has always been a better ally than Germany. Why would I be angry? Are you angry that Trump is a Nationalist and doesn't cow tow to the EU??
     
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    Im a nationalist myself. Thats why i see Trump as enemy.

    Of course Japan is a betetr ally. They have no free mind like we have.
     
  3. US Conservative

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    Nationalists generally don't have issues with other nationalists.

    Germany isn't a nationalist country-its a globalist one.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    EXACTLY! and soon to become Muslim.
     
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    The stable genius got us into this situation in the first place because he hasn't a clue what he is doing nor what the war hawks are pushing him into.

    Remember he campaigned on getting the US out of foreign wars. Then he appoints someone like Bolton........genius:tp:
     
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    Bolton is the "tough guy" you have to hold back. Sometimes it pays to have that guy around. Then there are others less hawkish but no non sense as well. So....what new foreign wars have we ventured into?? Peace through strength. We sure as heck don't want to go to war, but if we do, it won't be another Nam under Trump. ISIS was defeated largely because he lifted all the limits of engagement entertained by the Obongo Administration.
    Do you think a few more pallets of $$ would by us peace w/ Iran?
     
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    It never pays to have someone who loves war the way Bolton does around. You should read the PNAC to which Bolton was a member and then you will finally begin to understand what your government is all about and what it is trying to do in the world.

    You are still fighting wars all over the place from Afghanistan to Iraq. You are at economic war with China, Russia and Iran. You are doing your best to economically strangle even your allies like Canada and Mexico for your own selfish gain. You are supporting Saudi Arabia's genocidal war in Yemen. You tried but failed miserably to force coup in Venezeula. shall I go on.........and you are about to enter an existential shooting war with a powerful enemy you have foolishly backed into a corner with no way out or any exit strategy on your own part.

    Yes, you want to go to war. You are dying for war. You were on the path to war the minute you tore up the JCPOA and imposed sanctions. That is what you do. War, destruction and death through sanctions. That is America.

    You had nothing to do with defeating ISIS. That was all Russians air force and Iran 's allied militias including Hezbollah who were invited into the country to defend against ISIS something they eventually achieved. Nobody invited you there. And when you came you were supporting al Qaeda linked militias like Nustra for your own selfish goal of regime change. Trump did nothing - not a thing to defeat ISIS. He dropped big bomb on Afghanistan so he could go woooooo pretty lights. That's it.

    What pallets of dollars to Iran? It was Iran's money illegally frozen by a country that will never forgive Iran for overthrowing it's own puppet dictator the Shah and is determined to destroy the Iranian people with sanctions and war for revenge.
     
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    Obama bombed 7 Muslim countries, issued record number of drone strikes more than his predecessor, and ousted the Libyan leader.

    Trump hasn't gotten us into any wars or conflicts yet. So, what the heck are you complaining about?
     
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    you sound like you are with Hezbollah!
     
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    That's what I thought. Trust me... many of us look forward to the day when we can spend our treasures on our own people and not Western Europe's defense. We understand there is little to no gratitude by many Germans for stopping all of Germany from being part of the Satellite states of the U.S.S.R. East Germany... that could have been the whole of Germany. I am sure Vladimir and the Russians will be happy to take Germany like Crimea, Georgia, etc... given the change, if the Muslims don't take it first. Your country currently has near 6% Muslims. Let's watch what happens when you hit the magic 10% mark. It only gets worse.

    Your way of life and culture is on its way out and you don't even realize it. I am glad I got to see Germany before the mass immigration.
     
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    He speaks the truth, but the truth hurts.
     
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    now we hear from the Muslim Brotherhood! Oh great!
     
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    Other nationalist who try to insult my country, are my enemy. Its that easy.

    You have no clue about Germany. Eastern Germany is hardcore nationalist. The west more globalist. I´m member of the AfD party, which is hardcore nationalist. And we use Trump as enemy.
     
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    Muslim Brotehrhood is Sunni, Iran is shia. They are arch enemies. You you talk about responsibility for the world? What a joke.
     
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    You better hope thats not the case.

    German hyper technology, organisation and power combined with a zealot religious dogma?

    Good luck for you then. Last time we got introduced into a middle eastern cult (christianity), we Germans conquered all of Europe and destroyed anyone in our way. We even crushed the vikings and plastered our churches with their skulls.
     
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    1. Migration was stopped in 2016 and numbers are down by over 98%.
    2. There are almost zero muslims in eastern Germany
    3. Germany is 82 million people and an economic hegemon of Europe. So you say Berlin will be the new capital of this "Russian - German empire?

    You are on your way out. You become hispanic and african. Its hard to find white americans anymore. You are down below 50%. We are still 94%.

    As for East Germany, it was what saved Germany from becoming a american shithole. We kept the german spirit.
     
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    Wow.
     
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    Please elaborate.
     
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    Elaborate what?

    East Germany was not influenced by american propaganda. It kept the german prussian spirit. After reunion the west hoped this would adjust. It did not. Infact even the generations born after reunion, like myself are very critical towards USA. And even the oppossite happened. We spread into the west. So while west Germany could not influence much, we do this on them. The AfD is another example.

    It gets its power from eastern Germany mostly but forces its agenda on the others.
     
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    He does not know more than the generals. That is ridiculous. The Generals are on the scene and work closely with intelligence.
    Trump doesn't need good advice because he makes decisions based on his "gut", based on his "Experience". The Generals
    have experience dealing with our adversaries. C'mon, man.
     
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    How so?
     
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    I have not heard that Democrats are "pining" for war. That is just an excuse for you to cover for Trump's assinine decisions. If Trump doesn't want war, then why does he threaten with war? When he does that the adversary just digs in and Trump looks silly in the eyes of the world, kind of like a paper tiger.
     
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    Lol...you people never learn.
    If JFK had listened to his right-wing warmonger, Curtis LeMay, you probably wouldn’t be here today.
     

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