Fascists 'thugs' behind Andy Ngo’s ‘disgusting’ bashing

At least you agree that antifa are violent.

 

That is assault. MAGA hat wearers need to get their concealed carry permits, next problem.

 

If that happened, it would be a bigger news media story then Pearl Harbor and 9/11 combined.

 

Sometimes, what is morally or legally right is not smart.

Many years ago, a now-deceased friend of mine, who was a Hard Leftist but also a gun-enthusiast, lived across the river from New York City, where he worked in the HQ of his radical left organization. I don't expect anyone to believe this, but ... when he went home, often late at night, he would get off the subway (?) two stops before the stop closest to his apartment, and walk home. It was in a mixed or perhaps nearly all-Black neighborhood. He was carrying, and his hope was that someone would try to mug him. His organization did not know about this, but his girlfriend told me about it, later. I don't know how often he did this, but ... it was an incredibly stupid thing to do. Leave aside the possibility that he would himself get shot, it would have ruined his organization in the eyes of the rest of the Left.

Today, if in response to a hat-snatching, or even throwing rocks at Republican demonstrators or marchers, a conservative pulls a handgun and shoots an anti-Fa thug ... it will be a victory for the Left. And the justice or morality of it WILL NOT MATTER.

We've already seen in this forum how these people can twist and turn to justify anything. Well, it's people who think like them who run the media, and the story will focus on the GUN, not the provocation.

We're in a battle for the hearts and minds of the great middle -- liberalish Republicans, conservativish Democrats, and independents. At the moment, they probably think, 'Well, both sides are wrong'. It's painful, but we must continue to have more Andy Ngo's, more attacks on people for wearing the wrong hat, or flying the American flag. We don't necessarily have to be non-violent but it must be made clear to the broad middle that we do NOT initiate these things nor do we deliberately try to provoke the other side.

Notice how the anti-Fa apologists stress that the Proud Boys are outsiders, looking for a fight. This muddies the waters -- anyone has the 'right' to have a march or a rally. But the exercise of this right requires judgement. "They're a bunch of outsiders, coming in to stir up trouble."

The exact parallel, of course, to what I heard in my day as a civil rights worker in the South: "You're a bunch of outside agitators, comin' down here where you're not wanted ..." I was not an outside agitator in the sense they meant it because I was coming from Texas, but generally, most of the white kids were indeed from New York or other places in the North. But it was a strong argument in the eyes of ordinary Southerners who themselves might not have taken part in violence against civil rights workers, but who would just prefer that everyone go away. That argument couldn't be accommodated to ... civil rights workers from the North were necessary, because they weren't subject to intimidation the way locals were.

However ... although I didn't think so at the time, being young and subject to all the moralistic simplicity of young people, I now see how wise Martin Luther King was to stress non-violence and to keep the demonstrations non-violent, on the side of the demonstrators. It must have been galling for people sitting-in at segregated lunch counters to have milkshakes poured over their heads; it must have been enraging to have to dodge rocks thrown by mobs; when the Freedom Riders were pulled off buses and beaten and the buses set alight, how they must have wished to have been carrying.

But ... the Civil Rights movement won a great victory, because it won over the great mass of American people. It won a moral victory, which was followed by a political victory.

The friends of the fascist 'anti-Fa' will do their best to make it look like their victims are the aggressors. Many people will say, both sides are at fault. The more that it looks like both sides are at fault, the stronger anti-Fa will be. Anti-Fa hates all conservatives -- in their eyes, we're all White Supremacists and near-enough-to-dammit Nazis. They, and the privileged snowflakes on many American campuses who just anti-Fa of the second mobilization, will try to shut down any conservative meeting or rally. We have to make that clear to the American public.

So ... don't go to leftwing rallies and protest. Don't have provocative pointless marches, just to prove a point, in areas of anti-Fa strength. A Memorial Day meeting, a Fourth of July patriotic parade, yes. A talk by Ann Coulter or Charles Murray, yes. And at those events, don't respond with more than strictly defensive force to violence from anti-Fa or their look-alikes. Project the image of sober, serious decent people.

I have no doubt that if there eventually is a civil war between Left and Right in the US, it will end as most such civil wars have ended in the world, with the utter defeat of the Left. But then the American Republic would be dead. What would replace it might be better than a nation ruled by the Left, but it wouldn't be a liberal, law-governed democracy again for a long time.

At the moment, the best weapon against the left-fascists of anti-Fa is public opinion, which will eventually be reflected in the laws and their enforcement.

Everyone who believes in the rule of law, in a free society, should purchase an AR15 and a thousand rounds of ammuntion, and learn how to use it if they don't already know.

But now is NOT the time to be seen to be shedding blood.

 

A short skirt is one thing, being buck naked with porn invites written all over you is something else

This guy was known to antagonize people and then write about it. That's his stock in trade since, like that Milo fella and Anne Coulter, he can't really write that well but he can anger people and gratify bigots.

Never said they weren't, and there is NEVER any excuse for violence. Even if Ngo WAS flat out asking for it, (and given his past I believe he probably was) it is up to Liberals to be the better people. I am profoundly disappointed btw that nobody in that crowd stepped in to help him, a really great missed opportunity there.

 

But eventually it will be time?? Patience, my murderous friends, be good, be sober and nonviolent, soon we will be able to KILL EM ALL.

I mean Jeebus, first you start talking about Martin Luther King and then you tell everybody to arm up, the apocalypse will soon be here and won't we all be glad since then we'll get our REVENGE

If you're in any way serious about what you say you need to avail yourself of one or even several of the many excellent books on nonviolence, since you obviously don't know or understand the first thing about it. It's a way to avoid conflict entirely, not put it off until you're stronger.

 

I have never heard anyone associated with the left calling gay folk mentally insane, only those on the right claim that position.

 

Hmm, apparently you've not hear what they call Milo Yiannopoulos.. I love when they a use him of being a white supremacist.

 

"This guy was known to antagonize people and then write about it. That's his stock in trade since, like that Milo fella and Anne Coulter, he can't really write that well but he can anger people and gratify bigots."

Says who? The people, or those sympathetic to the people, who violently assaulted him?

In what universe does anything, other than the fact that an uninitiated assault against this guy occurred, count for anything?

Feel free to post a video showing him to have thrown the first punch. Otherwise, I shall continue to keep you in my category of being an apologist for the Antifa-terrorists.

 

Is it? So most of these Antifugs come home with small brain bleeds and the like? I mean, they're right there .. in the middle of it all.

 

1) yeah, so? only small children can't cope with unfavourable opinion without lashing out.

2) there was NO chance that was going to happen, when the entire Dress Up Party is about Virtue Signalling (though it's a very very grubby 'virtie' when it involves anger and violence).

 

You REALLY need to get out more. They despise gay conservatives.

 

Not everyone there was antifa, a missed opportunity indeed.

 

This is what happens when conservative ideology meets the pavement. Aren't all you conservatives always telling us how you all are the tough guys and liberals are weak little snowflakes. You all have exposed once again, the fear based nature of conservative thought.

Does not MAGA stand for Mediocrity And Gullibility Aplenty?

 

Just random rioters, then? Who just happened to have a grudge against a little guy with the wrong opinion?

 

Yep, so brave that the left violently attacks women, minorities and the gay.

 

No, it's what happens when religious hysterics encounter alternative gods.

 

A few guys can't get together and look like they're beating somebody up while being recorded?

Take a good look. Ngo is centered all the time. nobody gets in the way, nobody jostles the camera..

Just saying.

 

Wow, another less than honest conservative post. Is that what ingrained hate does to one. The event began with

Conservative men defending men accused of sexual assault. They then went looking for a fight and got their asses handed to them.

Now you are all crying like crybabies. How low can you go?

 

Speaking of dishonest...

 

Beating up an outnumbered guy is now macho?

Who knew?

 

The Enemy supports violence against Americans using Free Speech to defend Presumption of Innocence. This is how evil The Enemy is.

 

The daily BS from leftists just never stops. Don't you people have any pride or self awareness at all?[/QUOTE]
Don't you people stop posting BS? No pride or awareness that non white men doesn't exclusively mean blacks.
Women are not white men. Asians are not white men. Latin Americans are not white men. You ASSumed I was only referring to blacks. There's a reason for that I suppose.

 

No, you have misinterpreted what I said, as anyone who reads what I said can see. You should stick to trying to convince people that the videos of antiFa violence were probably faked and that they're just sweet kids.

Non-violence is an excellent tactic in a country which is basically law-governed. Where public opinion is important, it's a great advantage to have the public know that it is the other side which is initiating violence. This is the case where the majority of people are undecided, or at least not strongly committed to one side or the other. This can even be true when you're ruled by a foreign power, if that power is itself a democratic one and sensitive to public opinion at home. Thus Gandhi's tactic of non-violent resistance to the British in India was just what was needed. It would not have worked in China against the Japanese, or in Poland against the Nazis.

It is the tactic the Palestinians should have adopted in their struggle with Israel.

In a country like the US, which is a democracy, peaceful and legal means should be the only ones used wherever possible.

BUT ... there are exceptions to this rule. Although the struggle of Blacks in the South was mainly conducted non-violently, it was also the fact that Blacks and their supporters had no, or very lukewarm defense by the local police against Klan and similar terror.

SNCC and other Black organizations thus endorsed the right of self-defense. In other words, in your little sharecropper's shack at night, if the Klan drove by and shot into your house, you were not violating any principles by shooting back. (I took part in Freedom Summer, doing voter registration in a rural area in Tennessee -- at first we were not armed, and then one day we were chased by a car full of hoodlums --- it was a convertible, and they stood up in it and threw things like tire irons at us... we got away, probablyi because they didn't want to follow us into the Black area where we were staying, but after that, we carried a rifle in the car. Just a little .22, which was all the people we were staying with had. Probably not a good idea, now that I look back on it. More serious were the Deacons for Defense and Justice, a Black armed self-defense group for whom I raised money to buy ammunition. They faced serious violence, and were prepared to respond in kind.

However, there is a chance that the United States will follow the path of many European countries, and become deeply polarized, with the Left attempting some sort of armed rising. And it's far from ruled out that a genuine fascist Right with a mass base could emerge. This sounds crazy now, but the future is not predictable. Read about the history of Finland, or Germany, or Spain -- where it did indeed come down to an armed conflict. In Germany, the Communist Left tried several times to seize power by armed force, and even did succeed in taking power in Bavaria for a while. Similarly, far Leftists seized power in Hungary, with tragic consequences. Americans like to believe that their nation is an exception, and in some ways, for easily-determined reasons, it has been. But these reasons are eroding, and the US is becoming a nation like any other.

Anti-Fa and similar groups believe that most Republicans are racists, white supremacists... close to being fascists, if not already so. Some of their liberal fellow-travellers agree. They would feel morally justified in killing us. Their self-appointed lawyers, like yourself, would of course find some reason to excuse and justify this. In the last period of extreme polarization in the US, sections of the Left moved from peaceful demonstrations, to bombings, ambushing the police (the Black Panthers), robbing armored cars and killing the guards. They weren't very good at it, but they tried.

No one knows the future, but ... the US has changed a lot. Many people on the Left sneer at patriotism, and the Hard Left has found that 'identity politics', keeping racial and other 'identity' grievances on the boil, is a much more successful tactic than class war.

At the same time the US is losing its place as number one in the world, and will have to face a dominant China within a few decades. Who knows what effect this will have in the US, especially if there is a decisive military defeat of American forces at some point. If the mass immigration from the Third World that the Left yearns for actually happens, and the new arrivals are not assimilated, but are kept continually agitated by demagogues ... we could see some very ugly developments in the US.

So it's best to be prepared. I'd give the same advice to liberals who believe in democracy and in defending it, but not, of course, to the friends of anti-Fa. I don't want you guys to have any guns.

Not only should conservatives -- and all democrats, if any remain on the Left -- own effective weapons and enough ammunition for sustained combat, but those of the right age should enlist in the National Guard, or their State Guard, if they have not already done military service.

This also should be said: the extreme temptation for conservatives in an increasingly-polarized situation which seems to be heading for civil war will be to abandon our committment to the rule of law and equal rights for all in a multi-racial society. We must not become the captives of a 'conservative anti-Fa', and the way to do that is be strong and prepared now, both materially and politically.

No one knows the future. Let's hope for the best, where quarrels take place on the internet and are settled by voting. But don't think we are immune from the same sort of disintegrative forces we have seen all over the world.

 

There's no threat from any imaginary fascist right.

The threat of fascism comes from the left.

The threat from the right comes from a defense of Constitutional order.