Happy 4th of July USA!

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  1. zoom_copter66

    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

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    Hey America!! Happy 243 Birthday!! Hope the day is great to these United States!

     
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    I remember the Bicentennial (1976) like it was yesterday.

    Tempus fugit.
     
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    Happy 243rd Birthday, dear neighbors!
    Wishing you many more happy returns.
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    We like to be friends with you, but hate to be exploited!
     
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    Keep telling yourselves that. You all remind me a bit of Baghdad Bob.



    I see nothing to celebrate. The country has betrayed itself, wooohooo. Flags and fireworks are meaningless.
     
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    https://www.history.org/almanack/life/politics/giveme.cfm

    St. John's Church, Richmond, Virginia
    March 23, 1775.


    MR. PRESIDENT: No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do, opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely, and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The question before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfil the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offence, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the majesty of heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.

    Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.

    I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years, to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves, and the House? Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with these war-like preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled, that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask, gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us; they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done, to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne. In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free² if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending²if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained, we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us!

    They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. Three millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations; and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable²and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

    It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace²but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
     
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    I've some distant Canadian roots....paternal side. Saskatchewan province. :).
     
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    They were on the green, not the road
    but, the Lobster Backs could not pass up the opportunity
    to demonstrate "The King and his Army were the boss!"

    Well the men on Lexington Green did not fare so well
    against the Best Army in the World.
    And onto Concord they marched.

    But, trying to get back to Boston proved problematic as
    the countryside was alerted as if the Indians were attacking
    and from the cover of the side of the road, taught the
    Red Coats a lesson about backward / backwoods
    "loyal subjects of King George" being abused by Parliament.



    And That Boys And Girls is why :flagcanada:s, Aussies, Kiwis,
    etc. will never "know" FREEDOM because for them, it was FREE.



    Moi :oldman:
    Thanks to the heroes of Lexington Green pre 4th of July
    19, April 1775



    No :flagcanada: :rant:
    FREE the UnFREE!
    invadecanadanewban.JPG
    About FREEDOM!
     
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    Do you know where Canada is??

    Still sore about the Metis getting buttf***Ed?
     
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    I know where capitulationist, :flagcanada: is.
    They wounded Benedict Arnold in his attempt to liberate :flagcanada:

    :flagcanada: provoked the Pig War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_War_(1859)
    and took half of
    :flagus: Oregon Territory down to the 49th.

    My favorite President is JAMES KNOX POLK. 54'40" or fight
    The first "dark horse" candidate who declared
    he would only serve one term.​
    WOW! What a one term. He died shortly after.
    Teddy Roosevelt was hamstringed by declaring at the
    initiation of "his" term, he would not seek reelection.
    Still got the Nobel Peace prize ;)


    What part is incorrect and no personal reference required :nana:


    Zoomie is a :flagcanada: agent.
     
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    And HE Did Too.
    The song written by a kid brought to :flagus: by his Russian, now Ukraine, parents.
     
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    Yeah, yeah, rahdy, rahdy, rah.
     
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    Two movies offered as AMERICA
    deserving of the 4th of July


    It was a stage play before it was a film.
    Accounting for why the vernacular of the script is so excellent.
    Another Kirk Douglas / Burt Lancaster movie with Sir Lawrence Olivier.



    The musical, 1776
    where verse is from the papers of the founding fathers.




    Dear ferigners and @zoom_copter66 zoomie too
    Where would the world be without the safe haven
    of :flagus: for "Jewish principles".

    Get It Or Not.

    https://www.tourosynagogue.org/history-learning/gw-letter

    Gentlemen:

    While I received with much satisfaction your address replete with expressions of esteem, I rejoice in the opportunity of assuring you that I shall always retain grateful remembrance of the cordial welcome I experienced on my visit to Newport from all classes of citizens.

    The reflection on the days of difficulty and danger which are past is rendered the more sweet from a consciousness that they are succeeded by days of uncommon prosperity and security.

    If we have wisdom to make the best use of the advantages with which we are now favored, we cannot fail, under the just administration of a good government, to become a great and happy people.

    The citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy—a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship.

    It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it were the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights, for, happily, the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.

    It would be inconsistent with the frankness of my character not to avow that I am pleased with your favorable opinion of my administration and fervent wishes for my felicity.

    May the children of the stock of Abraham who dwell in this land continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other inhabitants—while every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree and there shall be none to make him afraid.

    May the father of all mercies scatter light, and not darkness, upon our paths, and make us all in our several vocations useful here, and in His own due time and way everlastingly happy.

    G. Washington


    A Great piece of AMERICAN prose lost on other nations.


    Moi :oldman:



    no_canada.jpg
    Russia's Polar Partner


     
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    <chuckle> <chuckle>​
    Laugh at thine ignorance of FREEDOM
     
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    It’s lucky that they didn’t come from South America!
     
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    wasn't australia an 'encampment' for criminals? my how they've grown!
     
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    Yep, just like America was.
     
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    at least we rioted and slaughtered our captors ;)
     
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    And did it well too.
     
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    As it happened, similar to Holland
    :flagus: was a "convergence"
    of Sephardim from Spanish realms
    and Ashkenazim from Central European realms.
    And they regarded each other as . . . .
    But, managed to get along.
    Besides the usual Orthodox
    2 Schools of Judaism developed in :flagus:
    Conservative
    Reform.
    It took a while for Israel to get use to them ;)

    Most Jews in the Revolution were probably of the
    Spanish type.
    Can't remember their hero's name at the moment.
    But, before the victory at Saratoga, who financed the costs?
    Not the French. That was after.
    "da Jews". via Haym Solomon.
    As best as I can tell he sold worthless bonds assured by
    the American nation that where haute culture to buy into.
    Even in England. The Masons too.
    Washington credited his fund raising to saving the early revolution!
    Rothschild Banks, etc.

    My Ex-Wife, Russian - one of her first observation of America
    "It is a Jewish nation"
    When asked how so, it seems because everyone observed the law, equally.
    See a stop sign while driving and stop. As she observed and termed it "Jewish".


    Without its' initial Jewish population,
    :flagus: might have been just another :flagcanada: or Australia :nana: @Sallyally



    BTW when the first boat load of Jews came to the Dutch colony of New Amsterdam.
    But that is another story.
    To this day there exist confusion of Governor Stuevacent's peg leg was right or left.

    :)




     
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    The republic is dead. There is nothing to celebrate.
     
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    YES

    By judicial actions based on the 14th, approved under duress


    America has become a UNION, and not a Federation of States.
    BRAVO the observance @Ethereal


    Imagine, ObamaCare left to the States.

    The Greatest State of California did a better quality
    at lower cost without denial of care before the Federals intervention.




    oopsy, did I go off topic? Moi bad
     
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    Republic is dead....lol...yes so dead that 500k+ clamored to get in between Jan-May of this year alone along Mexico border.....not including inbound flights, ships, tiretubes, etc.

    It's only dead and nothing to celebrate for people like you.
     
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    Ahh, then you are likely a friend!
     

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