INSTEX "made operational" - Trade between EU and Iran starts

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  1. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes I know Iran has always said she has no interest in Nukes, that they are against Islam. However during the Iran/Iraq war Iran did something which she believed was against Islam - allowed people to be suicide bombers. Iran did that because she needed to to survive. Of course the Israelis have brought items which they claim are proof that Iran was building nukes but they have lied before on that to get the approval of the US for war. Other people claimed Iran was a tiny spot away from having developed them. There again would a country who had just about developed them and is threatened by enemies agree to give them up. We know both Russia and the US have taken glee in taking advantage of those who gave up their nukes.

    So, if Iran was building nukes before they would do well to build them again very quickly. I have never understood why they have taken so long given that they have been under threat of war even annihilation for a couple of decades or more, imo it would have been sensible to have built them. The only way Iran is going to have any safety imo is if they have nukes and I am anti nukes.
     
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  2. Sobo

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    Here is the actual text of article 5:

    "
    Article 5
    The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

    Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security ."

    https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_17120.htm

    I highlighted the important part.

    We follow the NATO treaty word by word.

    Only attacks in North America or Europe matter. Not even your islands like Guam are under NATO protection.

    As long Iran doesnt attack your troops inside North America or Europe, we have to do nothing.
     
  3. Woogs

    Woogs Well-Known Member

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    You know full well that the US controls world financial institutions, which makes other countries kowtow to our whims. That's why there is no pushback at the U.N.. It's not that we're right by any measure.

    Look, we're done here. Have a nice day.
     
  4. Thedimon

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    The US can make you squeal like a stabbed pig if it wanted to.
    Get back down to planet earth.
     
  5. Sobo

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    You cant even stop us to build a ****ing pipeline

    [​IMG]
     
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    It says:
    A sole-executive agreement can only be negotiated and entered into through
    - the president's authority (1) in foreign policy,
    - (2) as commander-in-chief of the armed forces,
    - (3) from a prior act of Congress, or
    - (4) from a prior treaty.[1][/QUOTE]

    Says so in simple English, in red, that the US president has THAT authority... in foreign policy.
    Is Iran foreign policy? YES!

    It's WITHIN the competencies of foreign policy ... so no approval needed.
     
  7. vman12

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    You might be done. I'm not.

    Where's the demands from Congress to call for a vote to ratify the old agreement?
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you understand why the POTUS had the authority to get rid of it.

    Thanks.
     
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    What amuses me is that you want destroy Iran. A nation that exists since thousands of years. You want erase its people.

    You have a orange haired baboon leading you and saying he wants exterminate iranians.

    How deep do you plan to sink?
     
  10. Thedimon

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    But, because it’s not the federal law, the agreement is not binding. It even says so in the article. Basically, executive accord is a treaty that is waiting to be ratified, except that it never does get there. Has no force of law and cannot be passed down to the next president. You want it to be enforced - get 2/3 of the senate to approve.
    I’m tired of arguing with you over this issue. You can call it a treaty, a marriage or a bible, I don’t care - it has no force of law here and is not worth the paper it’s being written on.
     
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    Yeah we don't care.
     
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    A country led by Merkel shouldn't be making fun of other countries leaders.

    I mean that's just hilarious.

    Go ahead and marry Iran. You'll just be the ones wearing the burqua.
     
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    Then why the many angry rants from Trump against it? Why he says he will sanction and does nothing against it?

    That makes him apepar weak as ****
     
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    Why should we?
    Do you think we are going to F you up for Effing yourself up? Ultimately the pipeline is endangering you, not us. You keep bragging about your DNA, yet somehow this simple concept doesn’t seem to get through.

    With Europeans beginning to lose touch with reality and completely forgetting what war is, it might be a good idea to shake the NATO and leave only the countries that want to be a part of it.
     
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    Merkel made Germany the hegemon of Europe and created a nonstop economic boom with annual budget surplus of 60 billion € per year.

    She has her positive sides.

    Btw Burqua? Seriously? You do realize there is no Burqua in Iran?

    Have you a clue what Iran is like? I doubt it. Have you ever spoken with an Iranian?
     
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    Why is a pipeline endangering us? Does this pipeline bans other to sell us gas?

    USA is free to ship LNG and compete.
     
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    Sure.

    [​IMG]
     
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    He said he was going to sanction you for building a pipeline?
     
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    Thats not a Burqa, Thats called Chador.

    Thats the Burka:

    [​IMG]

    And its actually banned in Iran.
     
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    Yeah that's so different.

    You can call your big black tent whatever you want, I don't care.
     
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    This is what Merkel made:
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    When it comes to violent crime, 10.4% of murder suspects and 11.9% of sexual offence suspects were asylum-seekers and refugees in 2017.

    Again, I'm not sure what you are bragging about but hey, at least you are patriotic. I appreciate you defending your country and i'm sure you will still be defending it 5 years from now when Sharia law rules Germany
     
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    Not relevant to your point "It’s a reserve currency because it’s stable and reliable and because the USD is in high demand."
    You say that, when I just gave you 3 sources to back my claim up?
    How old are you? lol
     
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    Of course, since you have no culture over there.
     

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