NRA RIP

It’s patently absurd to believe a gun won’t be there. I don’t own any serious machining tools but I could go down to my shop and make an effective firearm in a few hours. Maybe less. Eating rainbow stew with a silver spoon isn’t going to happen.

Why was prohibition repealed? Why is weed legal now in many states? Why is the war on drugs a stupid epic failure? Why is same sex marriage recognized legally now? Because violating people’s rights to do as they please doesn’t work long term in a society that’s founded on individual liberty. Let’s be consistent in our beliefs on freedom and personal autonomy. Again I repeat, emotions should not rule on any of these issues.

And remember, you’re the guy that said dead is dead. You really believe murder and suicide would stop without guns? You are actually the one with a gun fetish. Instead of being able to view them as objects and specialized tools, you seem to attribute magical powers to them. Believing if they didn’t exist all would be right with the world. If guns were gone tomorrow and people reverted back to falling on swords and bashing heads in with cudgels would you be at peace? Would you be happy knowing all that had been accomplished was creating more inequality and potential for evil to flourish where only the physically strong would rule? Would you be glad people like me who only use firearms for practical purposes would lose thousands of dollars and be forced to commit at least some form of animal abuse?

So the short answer is no. Nothing about your argument is rational. It’s based on emotion and false premises and fairy dust.

 

Kindly refrain from PROJECTING onto others.

 

Excellent juxtaposition using the appropriate metrics to make the point that lax gun laws result in higher rates of gun deaths per 100,000 residents.

 

Agreed!

That one is a keeper!

 

Meaningless comparison!

 

Not really. Chicago has much more restrictive gun laws than my state. Criminals do not pay a whole lot of attention to gun laws. Only law abiding people pay much attention. You would put restrictions on my right to own a gun because a bunch of criminals in Chicago kill each other.

 

States with LESS restrictive gun laws have HIGHER gun deaths per 100,000 residents per the CDC.

 

Very misleading. Not talking about states. A state is just an artificial boundary. Different laws maybe, but essentially the same people. Chicago has areas that most same people who value their life will not enter. Most of the gun deaths occur in those relatively small areas. Gun deaths in my state are relatively rare except for our own little "Chicago".. There are areas I will not stay in or drive through. Being somewhat familiar with our "Chicago", I know which areas to avoid.

Our problem is that those residents of our "Chicago" occasionally venture out in the rural areas for a bit of easy money.
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Wrong!

Your original comment was misleading.

When the comparison is made based upon the laxity of gun laws and the gun deaths per 100,000 residents the image that emerges exposes the UNDENIABLE FACT that gun regulations do work.

This is SUBSTANTIATED by the FACT that other nations with strict gun regulations have far fewer gun deaths per 100,000 residents too.

So is the entire world wrong and only the North American Man/Gun Love Association correct?

 

The problem is that gun deaths do not follow artificial boundaries such as state boundaries or country borders. They tend to concentrated in relatively small areas. However, they apply the gun laws to the entire state or country.

I have no doubt that a country without guns will have fewer gun deaths. However, we have around three hundred million plus guns in the US. They are not going to pass a law and they will suddenly disappear tomorrow. It will be the criminals who will get rid of their guns last. During that period, the rest of us are very vulnerable. Get the criminals to turn in their guns first and then I will seriously consider it.

 

Disingenuous pablum!

After enabling a policy that ARMED the criminals you are now hiding behind the fact that they are armed as an EXCUSE to NOT do anything at all about the problem.

The HARD REALITY that gun lovers REFUSE to address is that your REFUSAL to accept reasonable and sane UNIVERSAL background checks that will keep guns out of the hands of the MENTALLY UNSTABLE will go a long towards REDUCING the mayhem they are imposing on our nation.

No one cares how many gun you own.

We ALL care about the MENTALLY UNSTABLE killing school children.

Time to stand up and SUPPORT regulations that will keep guns OUT of the hands of the mentally unstable.

 

I am doing something about the problem. I am protecting my self and my wife because law enforcement too far away to be of value.

You take your statistics and try to apply them broadly. When you come up with a statistic that tells me the guns deaths in my specific square mile, let me know.

You are drawing conclusions about something you know nothing about. I have advocated keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally unstable for years. Unfortunately we have another set of laws that effectively keeps us from doing just that.

Again, you are drawing conclusions about a subject that you apparently know very little about.
Universal gun background checks are impossible to administer. In order to do that, you would have to keep track of every single gun down to the serial number. I have over a dozen guns in the house. I bought three of them. The rest were inherited from my wife's family. How do you propose to prevent me from selling them. I can just claim I never owned them to start with/ Prove me wrong. The only way you could insure that to work would be to do no notice gun inspections in every possible gun location in the country. I am pretty sure I could keep my guns hidden in a location where they would never be found by someone else. I have forty six acres to do it.

Unfortunately, I am a law abiding person and I would follow the law. The people I am concerned about would not follow that same law.

 

What imaginary "set of laws" is preventing that from happening?

 

Look at the stringent gun laws and gun related murder rates in cities such as the south and west sides of Chicago.

What regulations would those be ?? What laws would have to be reformed ?? How do you propose to reduce/eliminate the access to guns by the mentally ill ??

 

These laws are not imaginary. Do your homework. Here is a start:

"The Insanity Offense: How America's Failure to Treat the Seriously Mentally Ill Endangers Its Citizens" - E. Fuller Torrey, M.D. (research psychiatrist), 2008

https://www.amazon.com/Insanity-Offense-Americas-Seriously-Endangers-ebook/dp/B0043VDW7U/ref=sr_1_1?crid=230TVGQO78MEW&keywords=the+insanity+offense&qid=1563190742&s=books&sprefix=The+Insanisty+off,aps,221&sr=1-1

 

As was stated, one incident if a crime, the other is not.

An individual choosing to end their own existence does not affect anyone else except for them, and there is no legitimate reason to include them under the broad, all-encompassing umbrella term of "firearm-related deaths" since it does not tell the true story. The only reason such is done is to dishonestly hide the truth, and obscure the fact that firearm-related homicides in the united states are simply not an overwhelming problem.

 

Then present the evidence that actually demonstrates such to be the case. Show what the average price is for a firearm in an illegal transaction.

 

Such has absolutely nothing to do with safety.

 

HIPAA

 

Kindly learn the difference between the word "estimates" and the word "demonstrates" before future interactions.

 

That has nothing at all to do with keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally unstable. A background check denial does not have to state the reason for the denial.

 

Ironic coming from someone who doesn't understand the term "well regulated militia" as defined by the Militia Acts of 1792.

 

They have to have access to that record to know that it exists. All you have to do is require every medical record to be made available to the US Government so they can judge whether that person is fit to buy a weapon.

 

Do your homework. An excellent reference has been provided above.

 

Have you ever dealt with a HIPAA issue?

I was trying to get some medical records to the VA for a medical claim. My doctor referred me to a neurosurgeon who referred me to a clinic to check for peripheral nephropathy who referred me to neurologist. Because my doctor did not refer me to either the clinic who did the testing or the neurologist, I fhad to drive back to those clinics over a hundred miles away to pick up the records because my doctor was not allowed to release them to me because he neither created the records or referred me to the doctors who did create them. It is a bureaucratic nightmare.

I finally just gave up because it was not worth the effort.