Ilhan Omar refuses to Condemn al Qaeda or Communism.

There's more than four states in the country
Which is exactly why we have an electoral college

It wouldn't matter if ten million more people supported Hillary that live in LA. that's not how our system works that has never been how it worked.

so it doesn't matter if more lunatic Fringe lives in the area of lunatic Fringe that doesn't make them any less lunatic Fringe.

 

What? I'm not saying they need to support AOC or the rest, I'm saying that they're going to see rallying around them on this single point as perfectly defensible.

They don't need to win over Trump voters, they just need to get their own voters to the booth.

His views on white genocide, Islam, immigration, and homosexuality all put him in the category.

But go ahead, enlighten me.

EDIT: Hell, he was "white genocide" before it got popularized among alt-right circles. I remember from my time as a wee lad listening to him say that Bill Clinton was bombing Serbia as a prelude to an Islamic invasion of Europe.

My grandparents loved Levin, until he became a Never Trumper, and he's definitely not to the right of Savage.

I just called you a probable centrist. I know you can read, so what's going on here?

 

then why did you only list two?

it only matter when your talking about who most Americans voted for.. .which we were

and Trump got millions less votes then Hillary, that is just a fact for the history books

 

I don't think so. I don't think people throw away all their beliefs and become socialist because someone's being a meanie.

That doesn't sound like a adult logic to me

and they're going to do that by being left of Bernie Sanders? Somebody who lost the nomination against a weak candidate? I don't think the people in America that f****** stupid.

that doesn't make any sense.

I provided some clues, things to Google so I've already enlightened you as much as I can without stating directly Google the NFIB, or Mark Levin.

if you refuse to be enlightened I can't enlighten you nobody can you chose to live in the dark under your rock.

you can put your fingers in your ears close your eyes and say la la la la la la la and drowned out anybody saying anything. but then when you come back with phrase like enlighten me, rational normal people are going to scuff and walk away.

Nobody can enlighten you I don't push Stones up hills. Do you want that go talk to Sisyphus.

well he's more conservative than Savage is that suddenly now not what right means?

no you called me alt light which is new speak gibberish.

If you meant centrist you would have said centrist instead of parroting some gibberish that you have to now take this time to explain what you meant when you could have avoided all this and said what you thought in the first place.

Either way you're wrong I'm not centrist I'm somewhat between left and right but I'm libertarian. Centrist are more authoritarian than I am.

you know all this time you're telling me what I think if you just shut up and listen you would understand.


But I get it you want to maneuver and try and flank me as if you could.

I'm going to be straight with you right now I respect honesty and I'm relatively straightforward I am not married to My views I don't need to outflank you. I'm not trying to get one over on you and when you tried that s*** with me you come off as sneaky and dishonest. And I'm telling you I see right through that facade so don't pull it with me again.

 

because if you get the majority of votes from only two very highly populous states you don't represent the majority of people you represent The lunatic Fringe.

most Americans in The lunatic Fringe. The lunatic Fringe doesn't get to control the country that's why we have an electoral college.

sure, I don't see why this matters.

I think what you're trying to do is appeal to the majority which is poor logic. If 65% of the country believed the world was flat that wouldn't make it any less bananas.

 

For the left to be unified they need to be unified against something. Trump is making that easy.

I think so, yeah. I think that Sanders probably could have beaten Trump.

My view on the 2016 election is thus: The neoliberal establishment has been decaying for a very long time. The American people want serious change. The Democrats had more levers at reach to keep the populists in their party at bay, the Republicans did not. Thus we had a neoliberal on the Democrat side vs a pretend-populist on the Republican side.

If you don't think Savage is far right based on his views towards Muslims, immigrants, white genocide, or homosexuality, you and I are simply operating on very different definitions of "far-right."

No, I don't think so. I think that conservatives are center-right, unless you want to get all Ultra on me, but nobody does that these days. Not yet.

I said "I don't know, but..."

And that doesn't prove anything, since I called alt-liters centrist, which would still make you a centrist.

I did say it in the first place, homeboy. I characterized alt-liters as centrists in the first post I mentioned them.

Okay, so I was wrong, a possibility I copped to from the beginning.

Never told you what you think, I guessed, and stated I was guessing.

What "trick" did I try pulling with you?

 

Well, they can't seem help themselves, even though it doesn't actually help them.

 

tearing them apart is the opposite of unifying them. Forcing all the candidates to go to the outer most left Fringe it's not going to bring the party together it's going to divide it as we see currently occurring.

how he couldn't beat nailery and Hillary was utterly stomped by Trump, he's trailing behind Joe Biden. He can't beat other Democrats how was he supposed to beat Donald Trump.

there's too much OMB syndrome psychosis in this for me to take it seriously.

I understood right to mean conservative. Michael Savage's views towards homosexuals are authoritarian not conservative. Mark Levin's views are conservative. I'm not aware of what his views on Muslims are but when I talk about Islamic tradition here and I explained certain things that are practiced in Islam that are f****** barbaric I get told I'm islamophobic. How do you say pointing out this as a problem with Islam is a reasonable view. Pretending like it has nothing to do with Islam is f****** bananas. and when you say immigrants do you really mean illegal aliens which are immigrants they are aliens. I've been told this is a far-right view. I remember Savage talking a lot about illegal aliens that is not immigration that is a crime. Study viewing criminals as criminal because of the criminal act they performed it's not far right.

I don't know what white genocide is you'll have to elaborate.

I don't know what it means to get all ultra on you.

so if the further you go right on the political spectrum doesn't mean no more conservative you are then it means nothing.

Why nobody speaks the language you are fabricating.

either way you were wrong I'm a libertarian.

maybe you're not as smart as I thought you were. You make up imaginary definitions for words that don't exist. Maybe you just don't know.

 

Pelosi isn't moving to the "outermost fringe" in attacking Trump.

Just a few days ago Pelosi and AOC were sniping at each other. And then the "genius" Trump gets involved and Pelosi is calling him a racist in defense of AOC, a sentiment that even centrist Democrats agree with.

Dude, centrist Democrats think Sanders is a racist and a misogynist. You're just way off base here.

You don't think it's possible for a party to choose a candidate that doesn't resonate with the general population? Really?

C'mon, man.

Yes! I know! That's what I'm saying, homeboy. Conservatives are not far right until you start talking about Ultraconservatives, who barely exist anymore. There are some theocrats who might fit certain definitions of "far right" but we'd need to discuss that more.

Yeah, me too. Who cares? I'm no snowflake, I can handle criticism, even that which I think is wrongheaded.

It's one thing to see religion, even a specific one, as problematic. It's another to tell Muslims to "shove their religion up their ass" and call for the deportation of Muslims.

Really? You strike me as a pretty online guy, but I guess I just don't have you pegged.

White genocide is the theory that there is a deliberate policy to destroy the white race or "Western civilization" via immigration. It's most common among European far-right circles, who believe that Europe is deliberately being made into a Muslim-majority continent.

Like I said, the only thing I can remember from Savage's program is the theory that Serbia was "destroyed" precisely for this reason. I even remember some of his verbiage, he was pointing out that there was once a "Muslim Empire" (incorrectly characterizing the Ottoman Empire as a universal Caliphate, as I know now) and that this Empire was supposedly stopped in Serbia (it wasn't, as I now know.)

This characterization of Islam informed my view on the region for over a decade.

I'm referring to Ultraconservatives. There's actually one here on this forum. They were a political party only once in history (as far as I know), in 19th Century France. They played a role in other countries as a matter of course, such as in Russia.

I can't really interpret what you're saying here. It's like a triple-negative or something.

I'll respond to what I think you're saying, that conservativism is the defining factor of the "right side" of the spectrum. This is just plain wrong. American conservatives are liberals. The Constitution is a deeply, deeply liberal document, and liberalism is sort of baked into our national mythology.

I can't even fathom what you think I was trying to "trick" you on. I'm as straightforward as they come.

 

By the way, what the **** are you talking about? It's vaguely pro-Trump.

 

to think that he's not provoking these people to some end is absurd. He's a businessman he knows how people think. Politicians don't know s*** about anyting.

I didn't say that but attack your strawman to your heart's delight.

didn't say that either it's possible more so for an out-of-touch party to pick a candidate that doesn't resonate with the general population and that's what we saw in 2016 and it seems to be what we're seeing in 2020.

in the English I speak when you say ultra something you mean that's more of that something. So ultra-conservative would be really conservative or more conservative. But if that's not what far-right is in your version of English then far-right is gibberish.

If you say someone like Michael Savage is far right but people that are farther right than him are not far right then you're not making any sense.

well I would say theocrats are authoritarian in the same realm is socialists or communists or fascists. And the further you go up you have not left it right but up the less differences between right and left matter. When you save we're going to execute you for being a dissident like you would in a socialist Communist authoritarian dictatorship are you working to execute you for having the wrong attitude about your country its 6 One way half a dozen the other.

so authoritarian dictator types that support socialists talking about the how bad authority dictatorships that support theocracy fascism is, it's just a skunk and a skunk arguing about who stinks more.

the point is I'm being called far right for disagreeing with nazi-style extermination of people. I'm being called far right for being reasonable. So what does that tell me about people who use the word far right?


They want don't just live in ignorance they choose it. I can imagine savages viewpoints on Islam and I guarantee you they're probably very moderate.

they should cream that f****** stupid religion right up their ass and take it back to that stupid barbaric hell hole that spawned it.

If they want to live and Let live I don't care if they stay here but they can't do that and practice Islam. Islam requires jihad. Learn about that religion a little more.

I'm very much online and this is the first time I've ever heard about white genocide.

first there's no such thing as European far right. Most of Europe is borderline socialist and that's short of communist the most left you can be. I think what you're talking about is ethno-nationalism which is just a form of authoritarian identity politics just like socialist just like communist it just like fascists it's not a right or left thing.

so aside from that you don't know s*** about Savage. Okay you had me going there for a minute maybe since I stopped listening to him he's got a little crazy more so than he was but you don't know the only thing you remember some b******* rant about Serbia.

You don't know his views on homosexuals or illegal aliens.

I don't think Michael Savage did any primary research into Islam he doesn't strike me as that type of character. Meaning he's repeating what other people have told him.

If you want to learn about Islam read the Quran read the Hadith and talk to Muslim people. I'm not talking about that live and Let live kind of Muslim people that go to mosque once a week or consider themselves culturally Muslim I'm talking about a believer. When you find that person ask them do you think Allah was wrong when he said that homosexuals should be exterminated. ask them if they think the prophet was wrong when he said that it was their duty to obey Allah's wishes.

if they really are a Muslim person the answer will be unanimous.

so there is a 19th century French party member here?????

I don't think I would even recognize 19th century French politics if I saw it. Now I'm curious.

it's a question based on however you view this political spectrum in you're head. So you put the conservatives in the middle that means liberals are far left which I don't agree with in either case.

I would say conservatives are to the right of center and liberals are left of center. As far as the far-right goes you can't really go far right without going authoritarian so it's more up. There are certainly authoritarians. The NFIB is a group I think is largely authoritarian they think the Bible should be the law, and I'm not talking the Jesus gospel stuff I'm talking Leviticus. I wouldn't call that right. When you go up right and left doesn't matter because really all you're saying is kill everyone that doesn't agree with me. I don't care if it's because they're the proletariat people who don't go along with the Communist idea or heretics. that's just three different words for the same thing kill everyone who doesn't agree.

At that point it doesn't matter what you agree with. So right and left to become meaningless.

I'm sorry but this appears to be cognitive dissonance. Liberal and conservative are antonyms. to be liberal with something is the opposite to conserve something.

So that statement makes no kind of sense.

I agree the Constitution is a very liberal document in that it liberates people. But that is the classical definition of liberal and I'm sorry to piss in your cornflakes by that definition Donald Trump is a liberal Justice Kavanaugh and Justice Scalia are liberals and Mike pence is a liberal, and Ruth bader Ginsburg pelosi and the Democrats are seditious.

well seeing that you think things are the opposite of what they are and trying to please incorrect definitions on words seems like a trick. Forgive me I always assume people I'm talking to her at the same intellectual level as me.

Maybe you really think up Is down and left is right and liberal is conservative. There's people out there that trick other people into ingesting cyanide to stave off cancer. And there's people that happily ingest cyanide thinking it's going to stop them from getting cancer. Maybe you're just like the letter person. Who knows.

 

It's mockery. I like to mock the triggered because they shouldn't be triggered by this. It's business as usual. Seeing adults throw fits or getting petty jabs in like when you say Donald Trump pretended to be a populist, is rather confusing to me. I think otherwise normal adults that do that should be ashamed of themselves. and the way to makes them feel shame for their stupidity is to mock them.


It's important to mock stupidity when you see it because it sends a signal out to anybody else that this Behavior is bizarre it's unacceptable and if you participate in it you are going to be derided. It's called social structure all human society depends on it.

 

Lol at sad grandparents listening to Levin.

I played star wars listening to Levin.

 

I listen to levin sometimes. Mostly when I'm driving.

 

I get real pissed listening to him.

But I used to listen, playing Star Wars a decade plus ago.

 

Well that's his schtick, or character. The idea is to get you pissed off. I find him very knowledgeable about the law about Constitution and how it applies court cases. And most importantly history.

When he gets on a soapbox I tend to tune him out. Did you hear what he said about Michael Savage? Those two guys are not friendly with one another.

 

I suspect an east coast rivalry. At least Levin is a lawyer.

Cheap seat seats.

 

Well he seems to know a few things about Michael Savage and Michael Savage's response seems to indicate that these things are probably true.

 

The one in my state which you did not.

 

Just statistics and political science/elections. Tallying up the results of the 51 unique and separate state electoral elections and declaring that is the same result as if there was just one national popular vote is statistical and political folly.

 

Only in one of the 51 separate votes taken that day. Why do you keep fallaciously asserting we all voted in one election?

 

And if our country pushes further into
Communism and Socialism, kiss it the **** goodbye. Hello Venezuela. Hello every Latin American failed country to our south. Congrats Dems. You destroyed the nation that gave you the rights and ability to be suicidal. Be proud.

 

Eating out of dumpsters and drinking river water. I live 10 miles near the river so i don't have far to travel.

 

He was beat up because he is gay?

 

Better get used to it...sharia is coming to a state near you! I feel most sorry for the ladies. Now they can't even report a rape unless 4 other men happened to be witnesses.