Judge Says Trump Campaign-Finance Probe Tied to Cohen Is Over

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  1. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

    -Guy you voted for

    Sorry, what were you saying?
     
  2. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Bill Clinton lied about payoff Lewinsky with the cushy Pentagon job for which she was not qualified, that was using his position as a government official to award a government job.

    What happened to him? What do you expect to happen here?
     
  3. Nunya D.

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    Individualism and Nationalism are not in conflict and any comparison of the two as being exact opposites is a fallacy. A person can be a Nationalist, but also be an Individualist. Nationalism is not forsaking Individualism.

    Believing in Nationalism also does not make a man less free. It also does not promise the slaughter of others for the "national good". Charlotte had absolutely nothing to do with nationalism. It had everything to do with a deeply disturbed individual that had no real moral compass.

    You appear to have this vision or idea of Nationalism that does not conform to the historic or proper definition. A Nationalist can still think for themselves. Nationalism is not some cult that a person joins and dedicates their whole being towards. It is not an idea of eliminating all others that are not of our nation. And it is certainly not "Collectivism". You seem to be a well read individual, but your focus appears to be very narrow.
     
  4. Bluesguy

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    The results are nothing, it's over, no campaign finance violation charges.

    What do you expect to happen?
     
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  5. Starjet

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    Think twice
     
  6. Nunya D.

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    Well, if you feel you need to.
     
  7. Starjet

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    Such cleverness. Such witticism. Such blindness.
     
  8. The Mello Guy

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    Trump lies about everything. But no I don’t expect anything to happen.
     
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    Didja READ that post??... just uninformed nonsense, but if you need me to point it out to you, I'm glad to...

    Here's the best (worst?) example

    SNIP
    "Cohen has stated that he was never paid back by Trump, his campaign, or any of Trump's organizations."
    ENDSNIP

    Uhh... did you guys see the cancelled checks Cohen brought to his Congressional testimony, signed by Trump, Junior, and Weisselberg??.... Maybe that news didn't make it to Faux News??

    https://www.vox.com/2019/3/6/18253467/trump-michael-cohen-checks-legal-stormy-daniels

    I rarely use ignore (3x in 20 months), but I think it was wisely used this time...
     
  10. Egoboy

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    Yeah?? That's not how most people remember that day.... is THIS what you are referring to, or do you have more?

    SNIP
    He asked me to pay off an adult film star with whom he had an affair, and to lie to his wife about it, which I did.
    ENDSNIP
     
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    Well, I guess 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

    You are basing Nationalism on YOUR narrow definition. As with many words, it has many different meaning to many different people. Sure, it can describe a thought process as you described.....a cult like belief that focuses on the good of the Nation above all else and at any extreme. But that is not a definition that not shared by most. That really is not even the true definition:

    Some people call it patriotism.

    A person can certainly identify with their nation or support it's interest, even to the determent of other countries without resorting to the extreme level you describe.
     
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  12. WalterSobchak

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    He was impeached, and you supported his impeachment. Yet you cry when the Dems want the same for Trump. LOL
     
  13. Starjet

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    Explain it to the Germans and Japanese. For me, nationalism is intellectual suicide, which will lead to national suicide. Why? It’s nothing more than allegiance to a map coordinates simply because you were born there. Big frigging deal.
     
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    They could find no evidence to support the lib lie
     
  15. TomFitz

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    Don’t congratulate yourself so fast.

    First of all, it is long standing policy in the DoJ that a sitting President cannot be indicted while in office (he can be impeached).

    Which is the sole reason why Robert Mueller did not seek indictment for obstruction of justice, despite a very very strong case.

    In this case, the evidence was just as strong, and shows that the President was directly and deeply involved in ordering the hush money payments (and that he had lied about it, no surprise there!).

    The results of the investigation and the evidence have been released to the public, and clearly show the pattern of illegal activity.

    They may make their way into articles of impeachment. Or maybe one.
     
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    The Obama Campaign paid fines regarding the timely reporting of campaign contributions, a civil matter.

    This is a criminal matter, in that the hush money payments met the standard for a “thing of value”, which made not reporting them a crime (strike one), that Trump lied about his participation in the scheme (strike two), and that the amounts paid, just days before the election were well outside the legal limits, and that elaborate steps were taken to conceal the payments (strike three).

    There isn’t any question about what happened, or whether Trump broke the law.
     
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    It isn't a criminal matter anymore, and so far there's no indication the FEC has grounds to even fine Trump the way they did Obama. John Edwards was cleared of criminal charges for paying his mistress, but the FEC did demand a financial settlement. That's probably because Trump had returned Cohen's excessive contribution. If Cohen had asked for the money up front he'd have been cleared too.
     
  18. Bluesguy

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    Campaign violation and no campaign violation for Trump which would have been a civil violation for him. What would have been the crime other than a reporting crime?

    The prosecutors and judge say otherwise but thanks for fulfilling my prediction.
     
  19. Bluesguy

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    Totally false as was the rest of your post. There was nothing stopping charges being brought and a fine levied for campaign finance contributions and had they found a crime it is their duty to inform the Congress.
     
  20. Bluesguy

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    He committed multiple felonies Trump did not. The Dems said perjury and obstruction of justice did not warrant impeachment now you and they want different for Trump. LOL
     
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    Yep he was afraid his wife would find out and harm his marriage. End of story.
     
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    Cohen has his own problems. The Trump violated campaign finance laws was just dismissed by the prosecutors and the judge. Give it up.
     
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    Likely for a jury to decide, because no prosecutor would believe that story given the timeline..
     
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    Thanks for agreeing with me by changing the topic... I know it wasnt easy for you...
     
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    President Trump hasn't committed an impeachable act, so why should he be impeached?
     
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