Islam & Christianity the same tradition ?

Dude there are several sects of Islam. The differences between them generally revolve about the haditha in use by that sect.

 

"Fight against those from among the People of the Book who (despite being People of the Book) do not believe in God and the Last Day (as they should be believed in), and do not hold as unlawful that which God and His Messenger have decreed to be unlawful, and do not adopt and follow the Religion of truth, until they pay the jizyah (tax of protection and exemption from military service) with a willing hand in a state of submission"

This means the people living on land of Muslims. They have two options, to leave or to pay a tax for which they will be protected by the islamic state. Unlike a popular belief, this does not refer to 'forced conversion'.

 

So?

 

So most people would consider the Sunnis and Shi'a as the orthodox sects though most of these sects consider all other sects to be apostates and as such good targets for what ever nastiness they feel like doing at the moment.

 

Many non-Muslims might consider them orthodox, but that is contradictory as the two contradict each other fundamentally.

Cambridge definion:
"(of religious people) having more traditional beliefs than other people in the same religious group:

orthodox Christians/Jews/Muslims"

Which one is more orthodox? If one of them isn't orthodox then it isn't proper Islam at all.

 

Islam is brainwashing. Telling some child that if they "question" or "do not believe" the tenets of - or some human interpretation of - some holy book - the worst thing the mind can imagine will happen to them - eternal torture in the afterlife - is a sophisticated mind control technique. This fear gets lodged deep into the subconscious of the adherent.

Religion as a means of control has evolved over the millennia. Christianity's use of these techniques was a huge success. This success was not lost on Muhammad who then emulated the same model - Take some old Jewish stories as the backdrop and introduce a new prophet.

The Qu'ran ramps up the fear factor to a new level. Its on every third page - Do this and you will be roasted over a spit - do that and suffer eternal torture - on and on . fear fear fear.

This strong use of mind control leaves the adherents susceptible to extremism. A significant majority of Muslims are Islamist's. This level of extremism is far greater than what we find in Christianity or Judaism. Islam - at least in its present form and practice - is a religion that produces a high number of extremists.

It is true that Christianity was like this - certainly during the middle ages - what I refer to as the 1000 years of horror. Christianity was a scourge on the face of humanity at that time. These days that title goes to Islam. A religion that spreads the evil ideology of sharia.

 

What is your definition of an 'Islamist'?

Why do you think sharia is an 'evil ideology' ?

 

Are you sugesting that this Christian nation of ours is dedicated to never deceiving an enemy even in time of war?

Are Christians outraged when our military perpetrates a deception?

What evidence do you have that mainstream Islam agrees with you that "these verses are interpreted to mean" something different than what Christians believe in similar circumstance?

I'm really not sure where you are going with this.

 

We have courts in the US operating under our constitution that use Sharia law when both parties agree.

I think we need to be careful about using words like "Sharia" to engender fear as you attempt here.

 

I think what you mean we should ignore the Crusades which had unique religious aspects unrelated to expanding territory.

Obviously there have been rulers in history who have expanded their territory through war.

The British created an empire upon which the sun never set. Germany tried. The US has had wars on 5 of the 7 continents. And, ME rulers expanded empires substantialy as well.

 

Actually there are Christians who want to leave the religion but are afraid for their lives. And Islam doesn't have a death penalty for leaving Islam.

Mainstream meaning the average? Because I'm sure the majority of all people don't think that way. It must be mainstream among your friends.

Too bad you don't have a choice.

I don't think that qualifies. First of all you can't read it carefully in five consecutive hours, and secondly you clearly read it without tafser. The Koran that is found in the English language isn't really the Koran. It is the translation of the meaning of the Holy Koran. Because of the enormous differences in the Arabic language compared to the English language, it isn't possible to understand the translation of the meaning of the Holy Koran without a good translation, good tafser, a lot of time and tons of studying. The Koran isn't just read. It is studied.

Really? I hear there's quite a lot of trouble due to all the Hindu terrorists. One of them was chosen to work in the goverment. They didn't bother putting her on trial. It all takes time you know...

Islam is a way of life. Life without alcohol, smoking, drugs and casual sexual partners. Don't you think a place like USA for instance could use some millions of their population changing into this kind of lifestyle instead of living for these mentioned things with the state supporting them in it with the money of the population?

USA tax payers are paying for the torturing of Palestinian minors.

Please, you're not doing him justice.

 

And your point is what? The fact is like it or not The Koran was written during war time because Islam began as a warrior creed and has remained such ever since.

 

Another modified "verse".
Can't find the source. It's been so mutilated it's unrecognizable. Here's the literal translation of verse 2:191

"And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from wherever they drove you out, and [the] oppression (is) worse than [the] killing. And (do) not fight them near Al-Masjid Al-Haraam until they fight you in it. Then if they fight you, then kill them. Such (is the) reward (of) the disbelievers."

The next verse says :
1:192" Then if they cease, then indeed, Allah (is) Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

However they are not among the "house of war" if there is an agreement between the nation. Which is why, though you may detest it, you are not among the "house of war".

 

What is a 'warrior creed'?

 

In the early days Mohammed was as much a warrior and general as a prophet. And Much of the Koran reflects that mindset. You have correctly said that Jihad means struggle not war. what you and many other defenders of Islam gloss over is that when one perforce engages in a struggle against other human beings what you get is war and oppression. For instance in the book 'Mein Kampf' the German word Kampf can be translated as either war or struggle. In English the two words are synonyms

 

Are you a Muslim?

 

Who are you talking to?

That's not true. War is pretty easy to define - oppression is not. Someone might consider it oppression, for instance, that he isn't allowed to walk to the store each morning naked. But most outsiders don't consider that oppression. And the Jews may have like to call it oppression that they're not allowed to have the privileges of muslims while making only a poor attempt at pretending to be one, but that doesn't make it oppression.

 

Yes.

 

No wonder you don't believe the Bible.

 

You're missing the point. And your example is the classic definition of oppression. If everyone living in your country isn't treated the same and in point of fact doesn't have the same rights in court and elsewhere then you're guilty of oppressing them. In fact in many Muslim countries half the Muslim population is treated unfairly that half being female.

 

This is about the battle of Badr.

What is the 'condemning of the merciful'?

-Typically they are for the sake of an individuals needs.

16:106 "Except for those who were forced to engage in infidelity to Allah after believing the while their hearts remained firmly convinced of their belief, the ones whose hearts willingly embraced disbelief shall incur Allah's wrath and a mighty chastisement lies in store for them."

I'm sure no circumstance could compel you to lie..

3:28 "The believers may not take the unbelievers for their allies in preference to those who believe. Whoever does this has nothing to do with Allah unless he does so in order to protect himself from their wrong-doing. Allah warns you to beware of Him for it is to Allah that you will return."

9:3 "This is a public proclamation by Allah and His Messenger to all people on the day of the Great Pilgrimage: "Allah is free from all obligation to those who associate others with Allah in His Divinity; and so is His Messenger. If you repent, it shall be for your own good; but if you turn away, then know well that you will not be able to frustrate Allah. So give glad tidings of a painful chastisement to those who disbelieve."

40:28 "Then a man endowed with faith, from Pharaoh's folk, who had kept his faith hidden, said: “Do you kill a person simply because he says: 'My Lord is Allah' even though he brought to you clear Signs from your Lord? If he is a liar, his lying will recoil upon him; but if he is truthful, you will be smitten with some of the awesome consequences of which he warns you. Allah does not guide to the Right Way any who exceeds the limits and is an utter liar."

 

Those who are not treated similarly are guilty parties. Guilty of deception, treason, rebellion etc. They're not treated differently because of they color or wealth like in the world these days.

 

Islam is evil, Christianity is good. That should be simple enough for anyone to understand.

Christian countries the world over tend to be good countries. Islamic countries the world over tend to be evil countries. That's not an accident, that's a result of the fundamental religious tenets followed by those countries. (Interestingly, atheist countries also tend to be evil, but that's a different discussion.)

 

Guilty of what, exactly? Not being Muslim? Not being male? Those are not crimes worthy of being killed or treated like ****. Apostasy is not a crime. Atheism is not a crime. Being a Christian or a Jew is not a crime. Your religion sucks and you know it.

 

I don't know of a good Christian country? Perhaps you can advice me?

I'm still waiting for you to explain why Islam is simply evil and Christianity simply good. Especially since only about a handful of Christians even practice their faith.