If you're like me and never observed white supremacy first hand

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  1. mitchscove

    mitchscove Well-Known Member Donor

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    but, like Trump, you're tagged with that label because of our conservative leanings --- take heart.

    If you are tired of the deflections that usually include some made up term like "Dixiecrat" when you point out that every example of slavery, segregation, every symptom of racism points to people who fashion themselves as "progressive" --- take heart. The reason the terms "white supremacy" and "white nationalist" never entered the vernacular of people who are accused of fitting the description is that progressives have been hiding their ownership of those diseases. They've hid the fact so well that the capital of "white supremacy" doesn't show up in searches.

    Who knew that Oregon was founded as a white state? Who knew that Portland is the capital of "white supremacy"? You won't find it anywhere unless you do a very specific search ,,, and you might even have to use a real search engine like duckduckgo in lieu of google.

    Who knew that racist terms in the Oregon constitution weren't eliminated until 2002? Not I.
     
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    So far we only have your word that Oregon is the capital of white supremacy. And why would the source I provided show klan groups in other progressive states but leave out Oregon?
     
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    mitchscove Well-Known Member Donor

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    Well hidden, but current events are beginning to expose the warts. They probably would have stuffed it, but figured out away to blame centuries of exclusion and bigotry on Trump ,,, and decided to go with it. Pathetic.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-white-supremacy-racism-train-stabbing-murder

    Portland's dark history of white supremacy
    This article is more than 2 years old
    The city is known for its liberalism. But a racially charged double murder sheds light on an enduring current of militant racism

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    Nearly two centuries of exclusion, violence and intimidation have resulted in the whitest major city in the United States, in a state that has in the past been fertile ground for the growth of extremism. Last Friday’s violent attack came amid a new wave of “alt-right” organizing, but Portland’s very whiteness has attracted far right groups to attempt to make inroads in the city for more than 30 years.
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    Walidah Imarisha, an expert on Oregon’s black history, said that while “Portland spends a lot of time being incredibly self-satisfied”, the “foundation of Oregon as a state, and in fact the whole Pacific north-west, was as a racist white utopia”.

    First, the land was taken from its indigenous inhabitants and freely given to white settlers. And while Oregonians take pride in the state’s early move to outlaw slavery, Imarisha said that that pride rested on a misunderstanding of the ban’s intent.

    “In 1844 Oregon outlawed slavery,” she said, “but it also outlawed being black in the state.”

    Initially, the prescribed punishment for black people for simply being in Oregon was up to 39 public lashes. This was quickly repealed, and replaced in 1849 with a system of fines, arrests and deportations. From 1857 to 1927, there was a prohibition on black people entering the state, which was enshrined in the state’s bill of rights. These laws were sporadically enforced, but they sent a very clear message to would-be settlers, black and white, and limited black migration to the state.

    “The goal was to keep out people of color,” Imarisha said. “Oregonians were anti-slavery not because of issues of racial justice, but because they didn’t want people bringing enslaved black folks to Oregon.”

    The exclusion laws, incorporated in Oregon’s constitution, were not fully removed until 2002, after one of a series of campaigns led by people of color to expunge them. Even then, 28% of voters opposed the measure to clear the language.
     
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    So you're going off the history from the 19th and 20th centuries. Unless you think Newsweek had some ulterior motive to not list any KKK groups in Oregon it seems there isn't much in the way of white supremacy groups there.
     
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    In denial. The warts are starting to appear after being stuffed for decades.
     
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    We've had, and still have, self-described white nationalists in these forums. They aren't hard to find. I'm happy for anyone who has a lead a sheltered enough existence that they've never encountered them, but there are plenty out there and avoiding them online in a political forum is a surprising amount of luck.

    And it takes a willing avoidance of history to not know about Dixiecrats.
     
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    So you agree there are no white supremacy groups in Oregon. Cool.
     
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    There is an opinion piece by the washington post that says just that. Type in "Oregon is the capital of white supremacy."
     
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    An opinion piece, you say?
     
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    Do you know which party ran Oregon when these racist laws were passed?

    "This was quickly repealed, and replaced in 1849 with a system of fines, arrests and deportations. From 1857 to 1927, there was a prohibition on black people entering the state, which was enshrined in the state’s bill of rights."
    THE GUARDIAN, Portland's dark history of white supremacy, By Jason Wilson, 31 May 2017 19.30 EDT Last modified on Wed 20 Sep 2017.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-white-supremacy-racism-train-stabbing-murder
     
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    Here are some FACTS:

    In 1857 the Oregon territory banned Black people from entering, living, or acquiring property. In 1859, it was the only state with all those restrictions.

    In the 1920's Oregon had the largest KKK membership per capita in the US. I might remind you that Democrats started the KKK. In 1922, KKK member Walter Pierce became governor. Yes, he was a Democrat.

    Oregon didn't ratify the 15th Amendment(prohibited federal and state governments from denying people the right to vote based on color or race) until 1959, but it passed in 1870.

    Portland today is among the whitest major cities in the US and gentrification has displaced Blacks in North and Northeast Portland.

    Portland is 77% white and 5.7% Black.

    In 2017 there was a documentary on Portland racism made.
     
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    So again....you're basing today's world on things from 19th and early to mid 20th century. Is the city of Portland implementing institutional racism where they are preventing blacks from living in Portland?
    Are you saying the Democratic party formed the KKK? That's quite an interesting take. Obviously we all know the KKK originated in TN.
     
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    It was a complete non-event. Proud Boys went off to a BBQ and Antifa smashed a bus window and went home.

    Everyone just needs to calm down and talk to each other.
     
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    It’s all part of the effort to normalize abhorrent beliefs and behavior—an extensive rebranding effort.

    An effort to evade responsibility or consequence and shed the negative connotations. Don’t fall for the “we believe this but we’re not that” effort to mainstream the BS.

    Cognitive dissonance is rampant so we’ll see a lot of whataboutism tossed into the discourse: like this thread.
     
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    In the 1970s I lived for a short time in Florida in a large city. The city was surrounded by small back water towns. In the city where I worked it was my perception that most whites and blacks got along and although racism existed it was not what it was only a decade before. Occasionally my job brought me into the aforementioned small towns and it was a totally different story there. The presence of racism was evident even at a casual glance. Most of these towns had areas labeled n-word town. In one town there was a lodge much like the Elks or any other benevolent organization however a sign bearing the bars and stars stood out front, the sign said Knights Hall over the Klan logo. Fast forward four decades when visiting the same area those small towns are in are now suburban and integrated. Every other part of the south I've been to seems much the same, in fact the culture of the old south at least in appearance has been supplanted by the same ugly facades and architecture of commercial chains one sees everywhere in the US. My impression in traveling for business in the south is that the instance of racism is very low. I think nationwide racism is all but gone except on the lips of the left to portray conservatives as racists particularly to the black voting bloc. These and other lies have become the only message the left has and has little credibility. I think America has turned a major corner in terms of race and we no longer see ourselves as us and them and it is only the left who are promoting division, pathetic.
     
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    Do you always try to lump all your newly learned terms in a single stream of thought?
     
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    Minnesota Star Tribune Editorial Paints Mt. Rushmore as Monument to White Supremacy.

    As Patrick Poole tweeted last month,

    “Gadsden flags. Betsy Ross flags. Apollo 11. Sure is interesting watching everything authentically American get deemed ‘racist’ by our brave firefighting media.”​
     
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    a fundamental transformation of America
     
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    ,,,, failed.

    The crook hand picked to carry the mantle to its fascist conclusion was too lazy to win and complete the job of destroying America that Obama started ,,, a disappointment that launched a 3 year temper tantrum ,,, that also failed
     
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    Only in the leftie handbook. You can make up all the boogey men you want but is only you and your ilk that believe in them. Whatever America hating views you may have and however many times you assert them doesn't make them true. These accusations would offend were they not patently stupid.
     
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    In every true American's hand book:

    The hard right of the GOP love Cult of the Leader, armed militias, ethnocentrism, racialism, voting suppression, white supremacism, white nationalism, which are all fascist tendencies.
     
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    Many Republicans love Trump and many see him as almost prophetic in nature.

    Most Republicans believe in the almost sanctity of the 2dA, and we see many on the Board talk about the right to armed militias and to confront the government.

    Historically, these elements are fascistic: ethnocentrism, racialism, voting suppression, white supremacism, and white nationalism. These characteristics are not found on the American left.
     

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