Iran fired cruise missiles in attack on Saudi oil facility: Senior US official

Spending years to plan one covert operation does not make you good at real war, where things continuously change.
War has a heck of a lot more moving parts than one operation like what was executed in SA.

 

Canadian producers are not going to accept less money. Forget logistics..

Look at the history of oil prices over the past 70 years.

 

The Iran war will be different to anything the US has experienced. Iran has been preparing since you and Israel started threatening to destroy them. It is already set that you are scared to put boots on the ground in Iran. You believe you can beat them with your planes. Iran has one of the best air defence systems and if it was Iran who is responsible for the oil fields in KSA they have just shown that the time of drones etc has overtaken air power. If it was not them, the same applies. The US and or Israelis would have been in a very long time ago if it was just a situation of them being able to kill a few hundred thousand Iranians and take over their country.

 

What if it’s Saudi Arabia being at war with Iran?
You are so fixated on your hate of the US I guess you can’t imagine a war when one Muslim murders another Muslim.

I’m advocating for SA attacking Iran and fighting Iran. And if Iran dares to touch our stuff, oh well, it’s going to be them making it a lot worse on themselves.

 

You were the person saying bring it on against the US and feeling oh so happy at the idea of genocide on the people of Saudi Arabia and Iran.

other posts but an example

I am simply showing you that this time you might not find it all plays the way you want. Please do not project your motivations onto me.

This is your post which brought me into this conversation

 

There is no such thing as Saudi Arabia fighting Iran all alone. The Saudis are clearly not interested in serving as anyone's sacrificial lambs and without absolute guarantees that the US will be assisting them and, when necessary, coming to their defense, the Saudis would not even be going this far to try to prove Iran was behind the attack on their facilities. In fact, Trump has said that Saudi Arabia has specifically requested US protection. So who cares if the initial mission might be flown by the Saudi air force, which will have everything set up and coordinated for them by the US? The Saudis will be using American weapons, dropping American munitions, flying routes set up for them by the Americans, receiving intelligence on Iran's moves from the Americans, be protected from Iranian counterattacks by Americans who are already there (and will be augmented) to operate their patriots and other systems, with America's entire Central Command basically serving their needs. Iran is not going to fight in a make believe world that the Americans there are just bystanders.

 

SA was attacked by Iran.
It’s up to them to respond.
My response was to a member who claimed that if SA attacks Iran then Iran will attack the US. If they want to bring this onto themselves - sure.

 

Look at local prices. While they might fluctuate due to global pressures, in local instances they don’t always correlate. Just because a price for Brent is $X today doesn’t mean it’s the price my local refinery pays to Canadians for their oil.

 

We do not know that.

This however is not what we were discussing. Saudi Arabia would expect US support in any activity it did. This is well known.

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I know what your response was about and to whom it was. However I already read this morning that Iran has made clear that any attack on her will result in her responding to all her enemies in the region. You have been threatening Iran for decades. There is no question that at any time you wanted you would attack Iran - any time. With Trump he obviously would prefer to wait until the 2020 election because planes full of Americans in body bags will not help his re-election. Iran will not attack the US - though it has been suggested you may see a massive increase in terrorism. Iran will simply attack your bases and anything else American in the area.

 

I don't think I can explain it to you.. Perhaps you are going to have to think about it and figure it out on your own.

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So, we are certain it was the Iranians that did this now?

My understanding is that the Iranians vehemently deny it, the Houthis take credit for it and even the Sauds express considerable uncertainly; but Trump wants a war now, so here we go. (Salman went to Jared, it seems)

 

The religious right would be a prime example of what you are talking about - claiming that Geology, archaeology and various other scientific disciplines that contradict the flood story is propaganda .

That is not what I was referring to though. I was referring to intentional manipulation of the thoughts of the masses through propaganda by the elite class.

 

Yes, I think it is still not known.

 

Unbelievable, here we go killing more people for rich corporations to get richer. Does anybody really care enough to spend billions of dollars and subject this country to another round of terrorism so that Wall street can make money.

 

The Saudis have just finished a briefing where they laid out their case.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-49746645
Saudi Arabia says weapons debris shows Iran behind oil attacks

 

If the US retaliates with a military strike and the Iranians attack American facilities/military this actually could lead to a massive clash of force in the region. These threats from the all powerful Oz in Tehran may have put him in a situation he has to follow through on. Happy days.

 

Well, then Iran should not get upset for being bombed by the US if it touches our stuff, nor should you as it will be Iran who brings it upon itself.

 

The equipment SA would use would be theirs, not ours.
They might get intelligence assistance.
That’s about all the help they’ll get. If Iran touches our stuff - your funeral.

 

Correct .. point being that context matters.

 

I suspect none of those ifs are going to happen. The Saudis, while pointing the finger of blame against Iran, didn't go far enough to suggest much will come from this, while Trump has announced the US will be imposing more of the usual (sanctions). The Saudi position was basically that the 'international community' will need to do something about this. And, interestingly, they didn't establish that the missiles and drones were launched from Iran.

 

Don't worry, if there is a war, it will involve more than just the US, Saudi Arabia and Iran. There will be others as well.

 

I’m struggling to understand the logic of Iranian leadership.
They attacked an installation that is located on sovereign territory of another country, which requires some kind of military retaliation. Then they claim they will attack the US targets if SA attacks Iran.
So, Iranian leadership is literally railroading it’s own country into a very real military conflict. They already crossed the point of no return.
What’s the strategy here? If they are betting to win a war with SA then why are they threatening the US? Or do they think they’ll definitely win if US becomes part of that war? While Saudi Arabia might blink in this game, the US definitely won’t.
What’s the objective? Whoever runs Iran seem to be having some serious logic issues. Their only achievement will be a whole lot of their own citizens dead. And for what reason? What’s the game plan? What do they see in the end if everything plays out the way they want it?

 

Who? Yemen? Syria?

 

For some strange reason, they prefer to take advice on what is logical and wise from people who don't wish them ill!

 

War with Iran will follow a script which both sides know. No need for me to spell out here, as some of it you already know, except to say Israel will definitely get hit.