Just Released… BREAKING: FULL TRANSCRIPT of President Trump’s July Call with Ukrainian Leader Zelen

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  1. MrTLegal

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    And Trump is just asking a foreign leader to investigate his personal political rival, while simultaneously and unilaterally holding up hundreds of millions in military aid, just before election year out of the goodness of his heart.

    /s
     
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    What did Pence do now?
     
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    Yes but as the Mueller report showed still plenty of ill feeling towards Trump there. Would the new prosecutor act when Joe Biden might be president next November?
     
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    It appears that liberals only have to declare themselves candidate for president to make them above the law
     
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    You're missing the point by staring at tree branches instead of the forest. Trump beats Dems all around the room with short sound bites that take him15 seconds to tweet, but send the Dems into the weeds for weeks, months, years. You just got sent out to hunt, like a dog, again, chasing after a ball that's still in his freeking hand.
     
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    ...ok, please elaborate on that theory. and please pay close attention to the one where Trump has said the whistleblower is a partisan hack (while simultaneously saying that he does not know the identity of the whistleblower).
     
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    From what I understand, very little, he's probably the most moral politician since Jimmy Carter.
     
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    Isn’t that what you said about trump? Can’t investigate candidates?
     
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    After getting permission from the ukraine president and at the insistence of the democrats
     
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    To this point, no one has said one way or the other. But that doesn't make Fox's reporting any truer. At the moment, it's unconfirmed who the whistle blower is or how they came to file their report. However if your concern is the validity of their complaint based on their direct knowledge of the call, I would say it's a pretty bold action to make such a complaint and NOT be certain of what you know. Regardless of the outcome, this whistle blower put themselves out of job, protections or no. So again, someone had to be willing to stake their livelihood to make this complaint.

    So if you are using hearsay that way, then fine, maybe this person heard it second hand. Does that invalidate what they heard/happened? Why would someone with first hand knowledge tell them something that isn't true? Either the person with first hand knowledge felt there was nothing worth reporting, or another possibility is they felt it was worth reporting but didn't want to take the risk themselves? So again, these questions can't really be answered until we know more about the complaint.
     
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    It's surging after hearing news of an Impeachment? Just dang.
     
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    I didn't know you were an aerosmith fan!!!

    So bottom line, you think Trump is a brilliant, infallible genius who would NEVER use ill begotten information on a potential rival even if the law forbids it. Gotcha. And I'm asking to see as much as we can about what the whistle blower said so the American public can validate against the incomplete and non-definitive transcript released by the president who is the subject of the complaint so as to have as much information on the topic as possible. And you say I'm the dreamer???? If that's true, then you have helped turn America into a night mare.
     
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    Trump would never demand something invesigated unless it was totally legit!
    Like Obama’s birth certificate or Ted Cruz’s assassin father.
     
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    I think liberals are going to be disappointed again
     
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    There are many troubling statements in the admittedly incomplete "transcript." (See the footnote at the bottom of the first page.)

    Top of page 3: "I would like you to do us a favor though ..." That is Trump asking the president of Ukraine for a favor. In light of the way they do politics in that part of the world, does anyone doubt that Zelensky would take that as an order?

    Same paragraph: "I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it." First of all, after more than 2 1/2 years in office, shouldn't the president know that if you need to have another country check itself on corruption or anything else, that it is the purview of the State Department? Once he names Barr, which he does later, I think that actually precludes Barr from taking any such action. I could be wrong.

    At the bottom of page 3: "Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you." Trump want's this looked into by his personal lawyer. That indicates something of importance to him personally. That's not okay.

    Top of page 4: "There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great." Right there, Trump is openly asking Zelensky to find dirt on his political opponent. Those of you asking for a smoking gun, there it is.

    Further down the same page: "I will have Mr. Giuliani give you a call and I am also going to have Attorney General Barr call and we will get to the bottom of it. I'm sure you will figure it out. I heard the prosecutor was treated very badly and he was a very fair prosecutor so good luck with everything. Your economy is going to get better and better I predict." (Emphasis mine.) There is a subtle, implied quid pro quo right there, though not provable. But remember how politics are done over there. How would you receive that if you were Zelensky?

    Bottom of that page, from Zelensky: "Actually last time I traveled to the United States, I stayed in New York near Central Park and I stayed at the Trump Tower." Even more blatant quid pro quo. I'm amazed that Trump's toadies left that in.

    Same paragraph: "I also wanted to ensure you that we will be very serious about the case and will work on the investigation." Plus: "We are buying American oil ..." Zelensky is downright obsequious there, so much so that you can easily envision him down on his knees with the phone in his hand.

    The words of the President of the United States bear great weight. Imagine you're Zelensky, newly elected president of the only country in Europe to have been invaded by a hostile military since WWII. That hostile force is still there and trying to annex more sections of your country. Your people are in harm's way, and military aid from the U.S. and other allies are your only hope. When the U.S. president has been holding up the congressionally approved aid, then calls you and asks for a favor, don't you have to take that as an order, and a threat if you fail?
     
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    It's up 140 points, at least the DOW is, at the moment. Not sure that's an impeachment surge or not...I mean we've been talking about impeachment for a while now, so I find it hard to believe the market is just today reacting one way or the other.
     
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    And what do you care if they are disappointed or not? Are you that concerned with the feelings of liberals and you see yourself as tasked with ensuring they aren't disappointed?
     
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    Yes it invalidates it.

    That is why it is not allowed in court as direct evidence.

    It is not merely a legal technicality but a fact that second hand information is simply not reliable.
     
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    Yawn.

    Yes... tell us more about Comprehensive Immigration Reform? You know where Trump offered a deal on the Dreamers for the wall.... the Democrats refused do now the Dreamers suffer and guess what? THE WALL IS BEING BUILT!!!!

    Winning.
     
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    The held up money is the horse head in the bed. You don’t have to explain it, they get it.
     
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    I suspect its an Ignore-The-Crazy-Democrats surge
     
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    And the dreamers are still here lol
     
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    He doesn't trust his own DOJ??? Why didn't he clean it up if it was so untrustworthy? Sorry, logic dictates that massive group of people who don't find a problem with one person's political opponent are way more likely to be right than the one person. It's nice to believe in conspiracies when it suits one's agenda, but nice and reality don't always align.
     
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    Does this suspicion come from any evidence or are you just looking for anything that supports your already held belief? I mean, do you have any investors indicating their are buying because of the impeachment inquiry?
     
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    Laugh at an actual Dreamer about them not having an expediting path to citizenship. You seriously don't give a crap about those people. They are just pawns to Democrats like you.

    I want Trump to just give them the path since he got the wall without Democrats. Trump should step up for Dreamers.
     

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