The Electoral College has elected 5 Presidents all REPUBLICAN

Isn't that exactly what we have here???Why do we keep saying we are a democracy??Clearly we are not.

 

There is no "the" popular vote in this country and the Electoral College has elected EVERY President who has ever served
Civics 101

 

They sure get upset if we follow the Constitution.

 

Then you will have to live elsewhere. The Constitution guaranties to the States that we will never be Democracy. It was the only way the States would ratify it.
Civics 101 and American history 101

 

You just have to wonder what is being taught in schools these days.

 

You realize there is no Constitutional mandate you vote for your states slate of electors. The state legislature could select them or tell the governor to do so.

 

The electoral college is a good system, because candidates will have to campaign in most of the states to try to win their votes.

 

And voting irregularities in one state, in just one precinct cannot stop the smooth transition of power. Just look how long some of these contested state elections go on and on and on.

 

Today political TV ads are broadcast round the clock close to the elections in virtually if not all states.The VAST majority of voters NEVER GO TO SEE CANDIDATES LIVE and have no desire to.

 

I refuse to watch or support the use of television to broadcast their ads..

 

The issue is that in states where they have laws that allow their elector to "vote their conscience" a party can literally fire electors who decide to not vote for their candidate. Republican states fired a number of electors who were never-Trumpers, and replaced them with party insiders who would vote for Trump.

Oregon did the same. They have a law which allows electors to vote their conscience, but fired and replaced their delegates when they announced that they wouldn't be voting for Clinton, despite her winning the popular vote. They were going to vote for Sanders, as a third candidate.


It defeats the purpose if whoever controls a state can literally fire electors for not following oarty orders, and rig the EC.

If a state has a law which allows delegats to determine who they vote for, than the should be bound by that law to allow it, and should should be barred from removing an elector from their position sikmply because they aren't going to vote a certain way.

If they had been forced to allow the never-Trumpers to vote, Trump wouldn't be in office. The lost votes in the EC would have dropped him below 270. But like always, politicians are hypocrites. It was the REPUBLICANS who always push for laws that allow the EC to vote their conscience, but they fire any electors who choose to do that unless they vote for the Republican.

 

The state legislature can put whatever qualifications on the electors that they choose, most are elected as bound delegates at least through a first ballot.

Here is the full list of faithless electors and who they ultimately voted for:

David Bright of Maine — Bright attempted to be a faithless elector, switching his initial vote from Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton to Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders. But he was forced to switch his vote back, pursuant to Maine delegate rules. In the end, he finally caved and voted for Clinton.

Muhammad Abdurrahman of Minnesota — Abdurrahman was a delegate for Sanders and voted for him instead of Clinton. The vote was declared invalid, and Abdurrahman was replaced with an alternate who voted for Clinton.

Esther John of Washington — John should have voted for Clinton, but instead wrote in a vote for Colin Powell. She said she did this "in the hopes that Democrats and Republicans could reconcile" and added that "Colin Powell is beloved by so many people and respected by so many people."

Levi Guerra of Washington — Another elector from Washington, Guerra should have also voted for Clinton but was convinced by John to vote for Powell.

Bret Chiafalo of Washington — Chiafalo intended to vote for Ohio Republican Gov. John Kasich but decided to join John and Guerra in voting for Powell.

Robert Satiacum of Washington — Satiacum is a member of Washington's Puyallup Tribe and supported Sanders in the primary election. He cast his vote for Faith Spotted Eagle, a Native American residing in Washington who is very involved in environmental activism. "It's all about the water. We need leaders who understand that," Satiacum said.

Washington state rules indicate that faithless electors will be fined $1,000.

Art Sisneros of Texas — Sisneros, who had previously considered voting against Trump, ultimately decided to resign because his conscience would not allow him to vote for Trump. He was replaced by an alternate.

Chris Suprun of Texas — Suprun announced prior to the vote that he would be voting for Kasich instead of Trump. He told reporters outside the Texas House chamber, "I think I cast a ballot based on principles and values. You can never go wrong when you're doing that."

Bill Greene of Texas — Instead of voting for Trump, Greene cast his vote for former Texas GOP Rep. Ron Paul.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) announced Monday that a bill had already been filed in Texas to make the electors' commitments binding.

Micheal Baca of Colorado — Baca intended to vote for a Republican "compromise" candidate instead of voting for Clinton. He cast his vote for Kasich while wearing a Sanders shirt that read, "Enough is enough." Baca was removed and replaced by an alternate who voted for Clinton.

David Mulinix of Hawaii — Mulinix, who was supposed to vote for Clinton, voted for Sanders instead. "We shouldn't have electors. The votes of the people should be making the decision. The Electoral College is outdated," he said. "Maybe it worked in 1789 when almost nobody could read or write. Maybe it made sense then — but we are way past that." He was not replaced and his vote was counted.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/12/20/here-is-a-complete-list-of-faithless-electors

Who are you talking about?

 

repubbies are TOO WEAK to compete on a truly level playing field (a.k.a. the national popular vote).

republican weaklings DESPERATELY need the rigged electoral college system...

 

Political appointees? I'm sure there are other states that do this different from Georgia. But here each candidate on the ballot must submit a slate of electors to the Secretary of State prior to the election. Whichever candidate wins the state of Georgia, that candidate's electors cast Georgia's electoral votes. I was one elector for Ross Perot back in 1996. I certainly wasn't a political appointee.

The Constitution leaves it up to each state's legislature on how it awards it electoral votes. Maine and Nebraska award theirs one way, the other 48 a different way. In 1824 six states had no popular vote, their electoral votes were awarded by their state legislature. The people elected their state legislatures and their state legislatures cast their states electoral votes as a representative of the people who elected them.

This is called being a representative republic or democracy. The one thing we are not is a direct democracy. Since we were to become a union of the several states, the framers decided to divide the electors based on population of each state plus two for each state's senators. Then each state cast its electoral votes in a manner deemed by law by each state's legislature.

Now each state's legislature can change how they award their electoral votes any time they so choose. They can continue with winner take all as 48 states do, with awarding of the electoral votes via congressional districts as Nebraska and Maine do. They could go to proportional awarding or any other means to include not having a popular vote at all which was the way it was done in the beginning of this country.

And by the way, it was the House of Representatives that choose J.Q. Adams as president, not the electoral college.

 

Since the ruling of a Federal judge in an electoral college case earlier this year, the electors are now FREE TO VOTE FOR WHOM EVER THEY WANT and cannot be forced or replaced if they don't vote for the candidate their state voted for.

 

Remember that National Popular Vote Interstate Compact? Where if 270 Electoral votes joined they could all vote for the winner of the popular vote? This certainly could torpedo that if it is even Constitutional.

 

There should at least be restrictions on when they are allowed to replace electors, and the why. They shouldn't be allowed to have laws that allow electors to :vote their conscience, and then fire the electors for doing it. They also shouldn't be allowed to fire electors for not doing it. And there needs to be a deadline for changes to the EC.

 

If we lived in a real pure democracy, there would not be a civil rights law, women wouldn't have the vote, minorities would have no rights, the majority would vote to keep them down. As Socrates said, democracy leads to mobocracy.
http://allanstime.com/Government/socrates_democracy.htm

 

Not Ford.

 

Can't win playing by the rules so whine and cry and change the rules to your liking. Don't worry, Democrat cheating will eventually get to the point where the DNC can't lose.

 

Ford was not elected..

 

Nominate someone with half a brain. We spot you New York, California, and Illinois and you still can't figure out how to win without stacking the deck with illegals from Central America.

 

Well have your state do it then. Who are you talking about with the fired Republican electors?

 

The EC has elected every president..

 

Actually the judge said they were bound and the 10th circuit court of appeals in a 2-1 decision over ruled. But there is also a state case in Washington which said they are bound. So it is making it's way to the SCOTUS I would imagine because of the conflicting rulings.