Did god really condemn mankind? Is god a just god?

Utterly ridiculous that a newborn is a "sinner" since the entire premise of "free will" is that one is given a "choice" of "sinning" or "obeying god".

No newborn is capable of making that choice ergo it cannot knowingly and intentionally "choose" to "sin".

So obviously it would be an UNJUST god that would CONDEMN that newborn to an eternity in hell if it were to die prior to learning about the concepts of "god" and "sin" and reaching an age where it could make an INFORMED CHOICE on the matter.

Given the fallacious "born sinner's" premise it is patently obvious that there can be no "just god". That fallacy is also exposed on the basis of an omnipotent god using ENTRAPMENT to "condemn" mankind as "sinners". Entrapment is UNJUST and therefore the ENTIRE CONCEPT of "sin" is just a load of bovine excrement.

In essence there is no god, no hell, no salvation, no sin and definitely no form of "divine justice".

As Terry Pratchett stated, there is no justice, there is only just us!

 

newborns (or young people) are not "sinners" any sense that most people use the term. If they die before reaching the age of accountability (different for everyone) then they go to heaven anyway

 

Take that up with the OP!

I am just quoting the OP directly and exposing the fallacies!

 

Where did you learn to read the bible so foolishly?

If Pharaoh's heart was soft and willing to let the people go, god shows how big of a prick god is by changing/hardening Pharaoh's heart to maintain the slavery.

The main point is that god denies us the freedom of choice that Christians are always saying we have.

That is one of their more common lies, as far as the bible is concerned.

Then again, those who do not read it do not recognize their lies.

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DL

 

So your god creates really evil people. Tell us why?

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DL

 

Nice lie.

You are ignoring your own bible.

Why does god harden hearts against his own wish to be believed to be god?

In 2 Corinthians 3;14 - 15 God hardens Jewish hearts against their believing in Jesus as their messiah.

John 12;39-40 says about the same. The same applies to Romans 11;25, 2 Corinthians 4;3-4,

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So the righteous would rather see the wicked tortured without a purpose other than the pleasure of those in heaven, instead of seeing the soul cured.

Strange that Jesus said he came to cure the ill, not to kill them, and here, as your excuse for loving the torture, you have the Jesus/Yahweh twins doing the reverse of what Jesus said he came to do, --- which was to cure the wicked and save them, not kill them the way you want him to do.

Try love instead of hate and stop lusting after seeing souls purposelessly tortured.

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DL

 

Because, being that their two religions are sharing the same DNA and vile ideology, they do not want to be compared to their brother Muslims.

Both Christianity and Islam, slave holding ideologies, have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

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Humanity centered religions, good? Yes. Esoteric ecumenist Gnostic Christianity being the best of these.

Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes. Islam and Christianity being the worst of these.

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DL

 

Are you aware that your bible says that the vast majority end in hell?

That being the case, every good parent will kill their children before the age of reason to insure that they end in heaven.

Insuring our children get to heaven is a parents number 1 job. Right?
Killing the child does that job. Right?

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DL

 

What did you think of my reply?

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DL

 

What fallacies?

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DL

 

Not mine!

I am an atheist!

 

Just one step below Gnostic Christianity.

That is because you guys were slow to start opening atheist churches.

It took too long for atheists to start recognizing atheist children had a tribal instinct that needed appeasing.

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DL

 

The ones that I derived from this statement of yours;

 

ALL children are BORN atheists!

Onus is entirely on YOU to prove your bogus "tribal instinct" allegation.

 

I have a couple of these posters on ignore, I do keep a couple of pets from their side so I can see "the other side" So the only questions I have about the ignored posters is do thy know they are on ignore. LOL
I know there side refutes "original sin" and sin in general, because it would interfere with their immoral and sinful lifestyles. They are deeply invested in their views and won't be dissuaded from them. Even when the Presence of the Lord was right in front of them, they ignored him or afterwards went back to their sinful ways, HE even left them a Book, which they endlessly refute, because they don't listen to HIS WORD. They deny His existence, even though He is Creator of all existence. The idea that the Universe spontaneous arose is ridiculous, flys in the face of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

 

Thanks for ------

Let me defend myself the same way you did.

Here it is -----

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DL

 

Don't you check your own sources before putting your foot into your mouth?

Try mine.



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DL

 

Why did Christianity reverse the Jewish view of Original Virtue to Original Sin?

You do know that the bible is a Jewish myth and work. Right?

Christians are conflicted and that is why you sing of Adam's sin being a happy fault and necessary to god's plan yet stupidly call our elevation a fall.

Would you derail god's plan and not do as Adam did?

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DL

 

Abject FAILURE to address the FACT that all children are born atheists and REQUIRE INDOCTRINATION in order to "believe" in an imaginary deity duly noted FTR.

Belonging to SOCIETY has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with believing in religious superstitions.

That you are blundering off on this DEFLECTION indicates that you are unable to defend your own original bogus allegations about everyone being "born a sinner".

 

??

No one argued the opposite.

Focus buddy.
Or does your ego need praise every time you say something true?

As to sin, we all sin. It is forced on us by evolution and nature.

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DL

 

Humans have no right to force an issue in such a manner. You cannot save a persons soul by committing a sin.

 

Yes you can.

All parents have a duty to get their children to their best end.
That means, if you are a believer, that you should kill your child.
That death saves the soul and that is the important thing to both god and man.

The really stupid Christian ideology creates this catch 22 situation where if a parent does the right thing for the child, he ends in doing the wrong thing for himself.

What is more important to you? Your soul or your child's?

What is your duty to it, if you chose to put your child above yourself.

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DL

 

Mine. Everyone is responsible for their own salvation. as the Bible says "Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling".

The idea you're promoting (which you don't even believe in) is one of the stupidest I've seen on this board.

 

Something you may never be able to understand unless someone commits a very serious wrong against you, or someone you deeply care about.