Diversity is our weakness

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  1. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Of course.
    It's why tRUMP was elected.
    To pull all the hyper partisan nonsense together and unite the country in one cohesive country.

    Haven't you been paying attention the last 3 yrs?
     
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    Too broad a brush.
    Only for old white men in the GOP.
     
  3. Pycckia

    Pycckia Well-Known Member

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    I have the paper in the op
     
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    And the paper says this...

    The link between ethnic diversity and social trust has been studied extensively over the past almost 25 years
    spawning a plethora of different findings. As highlighted in recent reviews of related outcomes, the evidence
    on the relationship between ethnic diversity and trust is far from conclusive (Dinesen & Sønderskov 2018;
    Schaeffer 2014: Ch. 2; van der Meer & Tolsma 2014).
     
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    HTownMarine Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Every group of people in history thrived up until the point they became diverse.

    The Romans are a prime example.
     
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    Diversity didn't kill the Roman Empire.

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    The roman empire assimilated in their culture every people they met, no people were allowed really to keep their own culture, and they assimilated to their own deities most deities of the cultures they assimilated. What happened in gaul, northern africa, hispania would be called an "ethnocide" todays. They persecuted the celtic druids, destroyed Carthago and so on.
    By the way, there were some exceptions, as in the late roman empire, the cult of Isis (the godess, not the organization) would prosper in the late roman empire.
    However, in the end, there unability to integrate the goth, the vandals, the franks would lead to their collapse. It's by the way a little bit more complexe, as for instance one of the latest great roman was Aetius, and his father or his mother (don't remember) was a non-roman.
     
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    Are you sure of that? I always read that the Romans were by in large indifferent to local religious practices as they were re: Israel and Judaism.
     
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    Thanks for making my point.
     
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    The history of roman empire is long and their culture evolved. I'm a little biased because I think mostly to the invasion of the Gaul (people who didn't really existed, they were just a bunch of celtic tribes), and I live in that place. For the celts, as far as I know, yes it's was an "ethnocide", for western northern africa, they were quite brutal aswell. But it's not impossible they had different behavour for the Egyptian for instance.
    I heard that the relation between romans and jews were far to be easy.

    I'm not neutral either because I seem y own country fall slowly in chaos because of all the diversity thing. By the way, there is an equilibrium to have between being ultra xenophobic and refusing to take interest in other cultures and what is happening in the west right now.

    Concerning the roman empire, they managed to learn from other cultures, either the forogotten estrucan, the greeks, the egyptian, however they had the ability to integrate foreigners. Speaking latin and being from roman culture remained a necessity, or speaking greek for the eastern part, however in the end, they ended to be dismantled by foreign tribes they let enter in their empire.

    I suppose that until the 3rd century, there was a core of the roman culture, and they were able to take elements of other culture successfully, because their core culture was solid enough. Japanese aswell succeeded that, integrating the best of western culture in their without loosing their other culture. Centuries after centuries their culture became weak, probably the reason they disappeared.
     
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    Well sort of.. The Romans discovered the Greeks had the same gods with different names.

    Yes, re: goths, vandals and franks.
     
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    I red some times ago that it's not that obvious they had originally the same gods, but rather they would progressively make the identity of gods converge to the greeks one, by the way there is a link between greek and roman culture, but, in the late republic if I'm not wrong, would "rewrite" their mythology to merge it with greeks.
     
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    Lots of things killed the Roman empire...

    But at their height, the only diversity in their civilization was the slaves and underclassmen that served others.
     
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    All this is true, but at the same time, many groups are, in a sense, not really welcome to assimilate. We hold stereotypes and prejudices. Those others that grouped together mostly because of language differences seem to have been accepted as the younger generations spoke more fluent English. The ones that seem to have the most problem are the ones who look different.
     
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    and it goes on to say:

    Therefore, to gauge the major insights that this line of work has produced, we systematize the literature in a narrative review combined with a quantification of key overall patterns in the literature through a meta-analysis.

    and the result of this meta analysis is:

    Summary of empirical evidence and providing a “best” estimate In summary, the meta-analysis has generated several insights speaking to various aspects of the debates in the literature presented earlier. First, as a baseline result, across all studies, we observe a statistically significant negative relationship between ethnic diversity and social trust of moderate size.
     
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    I've been alive for a long time. I remember segregation. Diversity only became an "issue" in modern times when Obama became POTUS and the white supremacists lost their sh*t.
     
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    You can look at a map of the Roman Empire and state the only diversity in their civilization was their slaves???? Boy Howdy!
     
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    The Romans became elitist, self-serving, and corrupt. Their downfall was not a result of diversity.
     
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    You remember segregation? My dude, the left has brought back segregation. Visit any major college for your evidence. They have segregated dorms, events and graduations for minorities. Apparently blacks and other minorities were down with segregation all along. Who would have thunk it.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/american-colleges-segregated-housing-graduation-ceremonies/
     
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    The corruption of the Romans started long before and was not the result of Germanic immigrants.
     
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    Which speaks not at all to the fact that diversity leads to loss of social cohesion.

    And it turns out that increased diversity makes white people more conservative:

    "In their first study, the authors found that when Whites self-identifying as political “independents” were informed that Whites in California are a numerical minority, they shifted their political responses to the right. That is, racial-shift threat shifted their leanings toward more Republican (vs. Democrat) support. Interestingly, this effect was stronger among those on the West coast (and thus more directly affected by this particular racial shift)."

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...e/201501/becoming-minority-fuels-conservatism
     
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    Yes, people are inherently tribe-minded. But I don't get what your point is. The longer diverse people live and work together, the friendlier they become.
     
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    Any ideas about why people do that?
     
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