Impeachment

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  1. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    You're looking for reasons to excuse Trump pressing a foreign government for help in the 2020 election.
     
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    Trump needs no excuse for pursuing corrupt American government officials.
    That is a key part of his job.
     
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  3. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you going to submit something of value from your point of view?
     
  4. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This guy used to teach school.
     
  5. Fred C Dobbs

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    An announcement of an investigation of Biden.
    Did you really need me to explain that to you?
     
  7. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It seems reading wasn't your strong point in school. At no time did Donald Trump ever ask for help in the 2020 election. That is clearly false..

    People like you need to use quotes with every submission.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Never saw anything like that. Just the single word SOLICITING, and the link doesn't work anyway.
     
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    He is okay. This is another very hot election cycle. We can still get along with each other - here.
     
  11. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your heart is bigger and better than mine. I tend to respond in kind to people who are rude, try to bully, and/or make false statements. Otherwise I feel they will just continue and become worse.. It's how gentle people peacefully carrying protest signs eventually became Antifa.

    I admire your defense and it shows your usual intelligence, candor and character.
     
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    Tyvm. Trump's DP opposition does not trust the RP to do the right thing America, and I can't really blame them for that. I am more critical of them for their confidence in the DP and what appears to be reflexive hostility to Trump.
     
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    The law.

    Federal law prohibits a foreign national from directly or indirectly making a “contribution or donation of money or other thing of value” in connection with a U.S. election, and prohibits a person from soliciting, accepting or receiving such a contribution or donation from a foreign national. Federal law defines “contribution” to include “any gift … of money or anything of value made by any person for the purpose of influencing any election for Federal office.” And the FEC by regulation defines “solicit” to mean “to ask, request, or recommend, explicitly or implicitly, that another person make a contribution, donation, transfer of funds, or otherwise provide anything of value.”
    https://www.justsecurity.org/66277/the-quid-is-a-crime-no-need-to-prove-pro-quo-in-ukrainegate/

    The crime.
    I would like you to do us a favor though......
    The other thing there is a lot of talk about Biden's son. that Biden stopped the investigation and a lot of people want to know about that so whatever you can do with that...….
    I'll tell Rudy and Barr to get in touch with you... Whenever you would like to come to the Whitehouse call and we will work something out.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukrain...eased-today-joe-biden-crowdstrike-2019-09-25/



    Evidence.

    [7/19/19, 4:49:42 PM] Kurt Volker: Can we three do a call tomorrow—say noon WASHINGTON?

    [7/19/19, 6:50:29 PM] Gordon Sondland: Looks like Potus call tomorrow. I spike [sic] directly to Zelensky and gave him a full briefing. He’s got it.

    [7/19/19, 6:52:57 PM] Gordon Sondland: Sure!

    [7/19/19, 7:01:22 PM] Kurt Volker: Good. Had breakfast with Rudy this morning-teeing up call w Yermak Monday. Must have helped. Most impt is for Zelensky to say that he will help investigation—and address any specific personnel issues—if there are any.....

    Taylor
    12:08 PM Sept 1
    Are we now saying that security assistance and WH meeting are conditioned on investigations?


    Sondland
    12:42 PM Sept 1
    Call me


    Taylor
    11:21 AM Sept 8
    Now is fine with me


    Volker
    11:26 AM Sept 8
    Try again—could not hear


    Taylor
    11:40 AM Sept 8
    Gordon and I just spoke. I can brief you if you and Gordon didn't connect.


    Taylor
    12:37 PM Sept 8
    The nightmare is they give the interview and don't get the security assistance. The Russians love it. (And I quit.)…….

    Taylor
    12:47 AM Sept 9
    As I said on the phone, I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/04/us/politics/ukraine-text-messages-volker.html
    ….
    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/04/how-to-read-the-explosive-ukraine-texts-028139

    More evidence to come....:-D
     
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    I appreciate all your effort but "Federal law prohibits a foreign national from directly or indirectly making a “contribution or donation of money or other thing of value” in connection with a U.S. election"

    What election are you referring to? The Presidential Candidates haven't even been selected yet!
     
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    Does it say anything about candidates being selected?
    I don't think so. Just election.
     
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    Should Trump not be as Flexible as Obama after the election with foreign powers?
     
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    So far the depositions, under oath, by Shokin and others state for a fact that Shokin was asked to resign because he would not drop the investigation into Burisma like the Obama admin demanded.
     
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    But there is no 'connection' either. Should we revisit the Clinton Foundation to see what connection there was between foreign governments and elections?

    Foreign governments work with each other all the time, and also do each other favors. If world leaders cannot discuss mutual interests because an election will one day be held it will hamstring everyone. We need some perspective.
     
  19. LangleyMan

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    Meaning what? It's okay for Trump to ask Zelensky for dirt, true or otherwise, on Joe Biden because Obama did something?
     
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    I asked a question. Let me know if I need to rephrase it if there's any confusion on your part.
     
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    You keep trying that one as if it works in court of public opinion.
     
  22. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't judge 'public opinion' by people like yourself.
     
  23. LangleyMan

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    I have no idea what being "flexible" (whatever that means) in relations with foreign powers has to do with asking, or even blackmailing, a foreign power into helping get dirt on a political rival for the Presidency.
     
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    Over half of Americans think Trump should be impeached and removed from office.
     
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    Who was President when Russia walked into our systems in 2016? Simple one word response will do. No need for deflections.
     

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