Now pretend you’re paying the same, except now it’s via taxes and you don’t have the deductible or copay.
When Democrats take power and allow constant caravans of foreign nationals to come and access Americans healthcare and welfare systems you will bankrupt America and destroy healthcare as we know it.
Currently, how much do you and your family pay for medical treatments, co-pays, deductibles, and premiums by both you and your employer? And the 32.2T cost is the highest estimate for the program from a conservative think tank — others programs and estimates have ranged from 1.3T for the public option / subsidy program to 15.6T for the program that would cover everyone but require copays and not be able to be used by illegals. For the average family the current cost of insurance is somewhere in the range of 14-16k a year and employer cost is another 4-6k. In other words a net savings by all but the most extreme measures and that doesn’t include bringing our cost of care down to first world averages.
Can you source those figures? I am the employer, and know exactly how much we pay and it's no where near those values for premiums. Also... let's be honest. We both know that a Medicare for all program would not equally distribute the cost of risk to those who benefit. They will push most of the cost off on the top 50% in order to benefit the bottom. Its once again just another wealth distribution scheme using collectivism as the justification.
A pipe dream of cost savings which completely ignores the change to the supply and demand curves for the actual delivery of care. the "net savings" you keep referring to can't just disappear from the economy without consequence.
So there you have it. If you had Medicare you could have a better plan (No deductible) for about 12K a year. Maybe less depending on your age.
Me spending my own money...is anarchy? uhh.. not following. Are you suggesting that the opposition to increasing government authority to tax and spend is akin to advocating anarchy? Sooo...if say I was to propose the government increase taxes in order to purchase every US citizen a firearm would being against that make someone an anarchist?
Sure “average annual premiums was $6,896 for single coverage and $19,616 for family coverage.” http://files.kff.org/attachment/Summary-of-Findings-Employer-Health-Benefits-2018 This does not include deductibles or co-pays (or out of network services should they be needed) Also, as an employer — that is just a tad higher than we pay on family plans And of course the cost would be more heavily skewed to the extreme high wealth individuals — no one else has any money. The only wealth distribution schemes we really see are the bailouts and permanent tax breaks only to the very wealthy.
Oh there would be tons of consequences, thousands of people would no longer be necessary and would lose their job. But less people would die from not being able to afford medical treatment or life saving drugs.
So you wouldn't give any of your money to the government unless you were forced to? Doesn't seem like you have a lot of confidence in their ability to spend your money better than you do.
So, the US is unable to have a universal health system like Canada, France and all the other Western countries. How do you explain that?
Health care component of our GDP is approaching twenty percent. A couple of questions come to mind. What is the source of that twenty percent? Another thing that comes to mind is that the per capita spending in America for health care is twice that of other G-7 nations, why is that? The results in those nations is as good or better than our system and they provide universal coverage. Then the really big one that nobody has mentioned -- in Medicare for all, how does one reallocate the tremendous windfall to private company balance sheets? Wipe off that big health care line item. Do they just get to keep the dough? I know Ford would love to. There is a huge amount of money lying around in that health care honey pot. So how do we reallocate the honey so we cut the per capita health care to all us citizens and pay for a new system? Seems like we should be able to do that doesn't it? Or not? Why isn't anyone thinking about this?
Eventually the media will quit asking. Particularly if it becomes clear she's going to be the nominee. They won't want to do anything to sabotage her. Besides, don't we already know the answer? There will be some tax increases, and the rest will be deficit spending, for as long as we can pull that off.
It doesn’t disappear from the economy. It goes in peoples pockets, which is spent on other things. Just not healthcare.