Berlin denies "Reagan" Statue to erected on its soil...US have to park it on their embassy

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  1. gnoib

    gnoib Well-Known Member

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    Adenauer was not a push over, he made things possible.
    His attitude was screw loosing the war, this is now a new game and try to make my day.
    If you try, you better be rather good, Soviets, US, French or UK
     
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    gnoib Well-Known Member

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    Actually nobody cares about erecting a statue in the US.
    What for.
    Just a penis extension, like the Reagan Statue request from the US ?

    That's what it is all about.
    If the US wants to have a statue of Adenauer, go for it, welcome.

    Germany did not think, that RR deserves a statue, or ask for it, big deal.

    Who cares
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You didn't see though the damage that Germany did to other nations.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He propped you up. He was Washington's "yes man" in Yankee-occupied Germany.
     
  5. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    True, not even in Holland. But holy cow, east Berlin was a mess.
     
  6. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It would not shock me to learn how Trump made sure to erect the Statue just to spite Germans. Good for him says I.
     
  7. Sobo

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    Merkel denied him to speak infront the Brandenburg Gate. Beside that, Obama is geneticly challenged anyways.
     
  8. Sobo

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    A statue for a foreign leader would insult the great achievement of the brave east germans who stood up and ripped the wall down. Each demonstrator did more than Reagan ever could. This was a german revolution. It should not be belittled with statues of foreigners.
     
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    The statue is invisible from outside, hidden in your embassy.

    That you want insult Germany, which btw you label still as an ally says much about you.
     
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    You Indian? Why is it that many of India's neighbors hate India?
    And many former colonies want to remain in the British Commonwealth?

    I went to Fiji and found this interesting. Fiji elected to become a part of
    the British Empire and be ruled by her Queen. The reason was simple - the
    Fijians were endlessly at war with each other.
    There's this story about the British starting at one end of Tasmania and
    working their way to the other, exterminating the natives. It's bollocks, like
    this 96% of mainland aborigines (don't confuse British policy with settler
    behavior.)
    What was utterly unique about the Tasmanoids (I am 1/64 Tasmanoid BTW)
    was their determination to fight and not negotiate - they were quite good at
    it, even to learning firearms and seizing towns I believe.

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  11. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Tell us your story of how it talks about me??? This I want to see. And you presume I want Germany insulted when they insult Reagan? Too funny.
     
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    Im German.

    The british even paid money for each tasmanians head. But since you said all was good, tell me where can i learn tasmanian language? :)
     
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    How do we insult reagan when we dont want a statue? You want celebrate yourself on our cost.

    Berlin denied a statue to be erected in public space. Such a statue would have zero benefit for the german people and just serve your ego.
     
  14. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    WOW, how Germans acted prior to Reagan, then during him and of course today the youth that are not even in Berlin grew to hate Reagan. We who are old know what Reagan did. Why would Germans care what we put up on land that is officially for the sole use of the USA?
     
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    This is how it comes down to. We have him on our building. Stop crying for what we did on our own building.
     
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    I dont cry. We find it strange to be so crazy to get compliments to ask 12 years for compliments and then do this. Its not understandable in German mindset. We would not even ask. And If we would and get a No, simply would feel ashamed and drop the issue
     
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    Why Not a statue for the people that actually mattered? The east German demonstrators?
     
  18. Right is the way

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    How can a person that is allowed to take power in an occupied country prop anyone up. After WW2 far more was done for Germany rebuilding it that Germany ever had the power at the time or ability to flex its muscles in the international community. Remember Germany had just lost its 2nd war which almost everyone felt they started and lost, the extent of the concentration camp and the brutality that happened their is finally getting out. The Germans simply were not very popular people at the time with little to no political influence to use. To be honest at the time they were as popular as the neighborhood child molester at the
    Time. More truthfully the occupying forces in Germany like in Japan had for more power over the people of Germany than Konrad.
     
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    Actually, it would neither insult nor detract, which is why other people who stood up to the Soviets and its puppet regimes in their countries erected memorials to Reagan:

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    While I respect each demonstrator and their individual contributions, each one of them was but a small bit player in a wider conflict where Ronald Reagan played a much greater and leading role in bringing down the USSR and its puppet regimes.

    In part, but it was only part of the wider collapse of the Soviet Union and its de facto empire, of which East Germany was but a part. The fact is, Ronald Reagan and the arms race he initiated against the Soviet Union and its economy, which could not sustain similar levels of spending, did more to precipitate the collapse of the country that controlled East Germany for almost 50 years than East (and West) Germans did. It can also be said that the people of Poland and Afghanistan played a greater role in the collapse of the USSR and its puppet regimes than East Germans and Berliners did.

    As I pointed out earlier, a statue of Reagan or any other foreigner who helped East Germany escape Soviet tyranny and then reunify with West Germany doesn't belittle anyone or anything anywhere. We have memorials to the foreigners who assisted us in our struggle for freedom and you don't hear Americans complaining that the statues of Lafayette and von Steuben belittle our people, our revolution and our accomplishments.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Wilhelm_von_Steuben

    :eek: Oh, the horror - a memorial to a Prussian on sacred American ground...
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They did not do in Russia what Reagan did. American policy was extremely tough.
     
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    I got it, you think nothing about my people. Reagan did nothing. He did hold a speech. Those people risked their life.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I had planned to bring up the Reagan statue in Poland so not all people think the same way a son of a former resident under Communism in Germany thinks today.

    Congratulations for a good account of what happened.
     
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    Keep in mind Reagan statues are only erected in weak countries like Poland and i believe being one of the most powerful economies, we should not buckle up.

    Beside that, we dont even have a statue of Helmut Kohl. Dont you think that would have a priority?
     
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    Talk for yourself only. I will reply to decent questions. Reagan did nothing? I am shocked that in Thuringen so little is known about Reagan.
     
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    Poland is a 3rd world country. They are not same league as Germany, France or UK.
     

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