No testimony from whistle blower

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  1. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    The DOJ are free to investigate
     
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    No, this is part and parcel to the impeachment proceedings. Therefore, it would be proper to conduct such questioning as a part of these proceedings.

    Why wouldn't you want to allow that? What are you afraid of?
     
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    Biden's testimony would be particularly relevant, considering the fact that he appears to be the one at the center of Trump's request for a "favor" regarding election interference in 2016. If he has nothing to hide, let him state, under oath, exactly that...
     
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    If we use the Adam Schiff playbook, my allegations are all that's required to take this to trial.

    So, if I accuse you of committing a crime, would you be okay with that?

    Of course you wouldn't be, nor should you be...
     
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    Doesnt the same apply to Donald Trump?
     
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    The Adam Schiff playbook? Trump is not on trial yet. He is still in the grand jury phase and there are nearly a dozen witnesses who have come forward by this point, none of which are the whistleblower.

    So yes, your anonymous tip would be sufficient to start an investigation against me. And yes, if a dozen people came forward to testify against me, I am likely to go to trial without you needing to be called to testify.
     
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    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And the next time I want to commit a crime, I'm going to plan it around an election, run for an office, and be Above the Law!
     
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    Perhaps.

    But why the resistance to having Biden testify?
     
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    Bu that's wrong. I shouldn't be able to make up something about you and walk away and not have to answer for it...
     
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    What evidence which is relevant to what Trump is alleged to have done can Biden give? The best you could hope for is that he admits he is using his Dad's name to get access inside the US administration on behalf of Burisma.
     
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    What are you saying he made up? It seems to me that everything he said has now been confirmed by others.
     
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    Trump asked for help in investigating corruption on the part of Joe Biden. It doesn't matter to me if Hunter Biden said "Hire me, my Dad is Vice President", but it concerns me greatly if Joe Biden said "I'm the Vice President of the United States and my son works for Burisma so I want you to fire the prosecutor investigating them", which is essentially what's being alleged. We even have audio of Biden saying he was going to withhold $1 billion if the prosecutor wasn't fired.

    Joe Biden's testimony would be particularly relevant...
     
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    Yeah, and I'm alleging that Hunter Biden is actually a Hitler clone; it doesn't make it true. The witnesses yesterday said and many European nations have said that the prosecutor was corrupt and needed to go, so it became official US policy to do just that. Where is there any evidence that Joe got rid of the prosecutor to stop an investigation into his son?
     
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    If ten more people say it, does that make it true?

    If the prosecutor was corrupt, then that should've been an internal issue for Ukraine. The optics of it are very bad for Biden, though, simply because his son was tied to Burisma. The elder Biden should've insisted that Obama find someone else to strong arm the Ukrainian government, so as to avoid the appearance of impropriety...
     
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    the one that started all this was Trump, and he will not be speaking under oath

    the whistle blower complaint has already been shown to be true, the whistle blower was not involved other then reporting it

    like a anonymous person calling in that he sees a bank robbery in progress and when the bank robber caught, complains it's not fair he can not harass the anonymous caller
     
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    Nor should he. There's no evidence of wrongdoing on his part, unless you believe that non-stop whining of the left constitutes "evidence".

    Graham has already stated that this will be dead on arrival in the Senate, and that's how it should be...

    How has it been "shown to be true"?

    It's actually nothing like that, but thanks for chimin' in...
     
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    Because Biden has zero knowledge or relevance to Trump's behavior.
     
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    If you are just "making it up," then you would face reprisals. But given the scenario in your hypothetical (and in the actual case before us) where a dozen people with first hand knowledge are directly confirming your allegations, then you are not making it up, are you?
     
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    Crooked pols resist calling The Biden's to testify because they know The Bidens would have to
    Take The 5th.

    ""But the credibility of the vice president’s anticorruption message may have been undermined by the association of his son, Hunter Biden, with one of Ukraine’s largest natural gas companies, Burisma Holdings, and with its owner, Mykola Zlochevsky, who was Ukraine’s ecology minister under former President Viktor F. Yanukovych before he was forced into exile.

    Hunter Biden, 45, a former Washington lobbyist, joined the Burisma board in April 2014. That month, as part of an investigation into money laundering, British officials froze London bank accounts containing $23 million that allegedly belonged to Mr. Zlochevsky."
    THE NEW YORK TIMES, Joe Biden, His Son and the Case Against a Ukrainian Oligarch, By James Risen, Dec. 8, 2015.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/09/...-ukraine-joe-biden-son-hunter-biden-ties.html
     
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    The whistle blower complaint has not been shown to be true.... not in the least. The whistle blower did not see anything or hear anything but was told by others what their opinion of the call was even though only one of the antagonists heard or saw anything. They had nothing wrong let alone illegal and nothing within a million miles from impeachable. The only thing they had was a president exercising foreign policy that they did not like and so pouted venom and made up stuff.
     
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    Why does Biden go around bloviating about Trump if he knows nothing???
     
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    There was a grand total of one among the gaggle of confirmations that had any first hand knowledge. And the first witnesses, Schiff's A Team, had no confirming knowledge.
     
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    If you want more first hand knowledge, then join the Democrats in demanding that Trump stop stonewalling and permit individuals like Mulvaney, Bolton, Giuliani, and Perry to testify.
     
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    Because he is a politician and he is campaigning for the office that Trump currently holds. So is Joe Walsh and Bill Weld, but you don't see Republicans calling for them to testify.
     
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    I don't want more first hand witnesses. If you want more first hand witnesses you should do more than just make them up.
     
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