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WATCH LIVE: Public Impeachment Hearings (Hill/Holmes)

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  1. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    Please use this thread to comment on the Fiona Hill and David Holmes public impeachment testimony. Please provide some substantive justification for your opinions so that others might see your reasoning and make their own evaluations or at least find that testimony.

    Here is a link to the CBS livestream:
     
    MrTLegal, Nov 21, 2019
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    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Egoboy, Nov 21, 2019
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    Trump is supporting Ukraine much better than Obama did...... That is because Obama was Putin's buddy.
     
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    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Excellent... full accent... I hope they go after Mary Poppins full blast..
     
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    TurnerAshby Well-Known Member

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    That Holmes guy was making the lady on the right catch some z's
     
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    TurnerAshby Well-Known Member

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    Wonder if her saying her opening statement will be short was a dig at Holmes?
     
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    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yeah, I caught that... she did put the "accent" on short, but it was also printed in her actual statement...

    Here we go...
     
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  8. MrTLegal

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    Lol, maybe
     
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    TurnerAshby Well-Known Member

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    Who is she directing the "some of you appear to believe Russia didn't meddle in our Election"? Two things can happen simultaneously
     
    TurnerAshby, Nov 21, 2019
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    Republicans: "Obama did not give lethal aid to a country we also want to prove was one of the most corrupt countries in the entire world."
     
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    There are several public Republican officials and talking heads who have very, very explicitly and repeatedly advanced the theory that Russia did not meddle in the Election: Donald Trump being a chief example.
     
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    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    His last name rhymes with Boon-Fez....
     
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    Well i believe two things can happen at once imo

    "Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found."

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

    This article from politico was from 2017
     
    TurnerAshby, Nov 21, 2019
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    More of the **** show. What a farce!
     
    doombug, Nov 21, 2019
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What for? Is there a reason to believe that this Democrat kangaroo court's findings may sway Pelosi or pencil neck from their righteous, enlightened path to impeach President Trump? Has not decision to impeach President Trump been made long ago, about the time he was elected?

    Of course it was :D
     
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    Can we agree that the "help" provided by "Ukrainian officials" were the results of an investigation into illegal behavior by Paul Manafort?

    Also, this comes from that same article, "There’s little evidence of such a top-down effort by Ukraine. Longtime observers suggest that the rampant corruption, factionalism and economic struggles plaguing the country — not to mention its ongoing strife with Russia — would render it unable to pull off an ambitious covert interference campaign in another country’s election. And President Petro Poroshenko’s administration, along with the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington, insists that Ukraine stayed neutral in the race."
     
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    the Ukrainian narrative wouldn't have as much legs if it wasn't based in some amount of truth......

    We should take all election meddling serious right? If so we should address it all no?
     
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    Fiona Hill in two minutes perfectly described what the Russians have done and are doing to America.

    Loved her complete dismissal of this "ukraine were the real hackers and meddlers" as total nonsense.

    That was history and that speech will be prominent in the record.
     
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    Im not saying it was to the scale of Russia, but that there is some truth to the matter.
     
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    If it has any credible merit... the 2016 Crowdstrike simple doesn't...Trump's former NSA made that abundantly clear...
     
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    Here's a chart of PredictIt bettors regarding the likelihood of Trump being impeached in his first term.

    upload_2019-11-21_10-25-17.png

    Impeachment was very, very much in doubt as recently as mid-september
     
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    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    But how do we define "some" truth? There is "some" truth to the notion that every country was involved in the 2016 election to the extent that some government officials in those countries had opinions on who they wanted to win and/or some business owners in those countries had an opinion on who should win.
     
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    Yes and i think Trump brought it up because he believes Kooky stuff thats gonna be near impossible to prove (Obama being a Keyan being an example).
     
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    Enjoy the impeachment!
     
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    And I find that scary as ****... and I believe you should too...

    It's OK for him to "believe" what he wants to believe privately, but when it drives our interactions with other countries, that's when it rises to National Security issue..
     
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