WATCH LIVE: House Judiciary Committee Debates Articles of Impeachment

Exactly, there have always been disagreements between Congress and the POTUS of the day, they have been settled by the Courts as the Founders intended. Not this farce.

 

If this is a knock against the EC, it is working exactly as the Founder's intended it to.

 

What are you talking about? Republican Deputy AG Rosenstein appointed Special Counsel Mueller, who by law was NOT independent, but who reported to either the AG or the Acting AG, if the AG recused himself (which Sessions, a Republican, did). Secondly, Muller specifically said that the President was NOT exonerated on the obstruction of justice charge, but that he left that decision to his boss AG Barr, a political hack brought in to replace Sessions. Mueller clearly stated in his report...that Barr could either repeal the DoJ policy prohibiting the indictment of a sitting President, overrule the evidence Mueller presented and determine - as AG - that no obstruction had occurred (which he did) or Congress could intervene through its impeachment powers (which they did). And, ALL of that was PRIOR to the illegal withholding of Congressionally approved aid to Ukraine.
On top of all of that, impeachment is a political act, not a criminal prosecution. No federal statute need be the grounds for impeachment, although it may be. Criminal prosecution will or will not occur, once the President is removed from office or until such time as the DoJ policy on not indicting a sitting President is overturned, by the AG or the Supreme Court.

 

The estimates that mattered were dead wrong. That has been the point. We have seen and proven time and again the polls were unreliable, and giving manufactured results, we've shown the broken methodology, and nothing has changed. The snap shot isn't to gather useless information, if you honestly believe that, you really have no place in this conversation. Nobody is paying to get useless information, they want reliable information, and clearly they didn't get that. Since nothing has changed in the broken methodology they were using, they won't be getting reliable information anytime soon.

No polling outfit is going to claim they are 'predicting' because as Trump proved, they aren't 100%. They are supposed to be providing accurate information, sadly they didn't, everything they said was wrong. What about exit polls? That is supposed to be a predictor, yet even the networks said their own exit polling couldn't be trusted. We have learned, modern liberal bias 'polling' cannot be trusted at all. I will laugh when it is proven yet again in 2020...

 

Indeed; ironic that it is leftist . . . tradition.

 

LOL, Barr did not give the lefties what they wanted so, even though he is very experienced, has been an AG before, and comes highly recommended, the left calls him a 'political hack'.

 

Perhaps another good thing coming out of this will be seriously expedited court rulings, amid the multiple appeals due the ruling losers at the lower courts..

 

That's correct. To remove "sought to investigate a political rival, Joseph Biden" and to replace with "sought to investigate Burisma Oil and Hunter Biden."

 

They do now... I was one of the ones who said a former Bush ERA appointee was as good as we were going to get as AG under this buffoon and he should have been confirmed. I might have still been correct, but he has proven himself to be worse than Sessions, and I KNOW that hurts...

At least Sessions could do the correct thing once...

 

That assumes the DOJ would actually pursue criminal charges. Frankly, I don't think the evidence is strong enough to sustain a conviction, and if Trump's out of office, TDS should die down to avoid chasing a rabbit hole.

 

Mueller had nothing to do with this 'impeachment' farce. Special investigator/prosecutors are independent of the normal chain of command and have only a limited scope and scale of operations. They wouldn't be special if it was just a regular DOJ employee now would they? Mueller was brought on for the 'collusion' farce, Trump was 100% exonerated of collusion. End of story. Since that failed, the House decided since the right way failed, they'd go all out wrong to try and get Trump. Thankfully the clown show is almost over, and Trump will be exonerated AGAIN...

 

Not a knock on the EC. Just a knock on folks claiming that the polls should not be trusted because they failed to predict the EC result, which is something they were never designed to predict.

 

Oh so he's not like Hunter, he's not a crackhead that get's strippers high and pregnant then get's a cush job from Ukraine because Daddy has power of the Whitehouse. Gaetz followed in his dads footsteps and was elected like his dad, your premise made zero sense comparing the two.

 

So Sessions not doing his job is a good thing but Barr doing his job is a bad thing. Fascinating.

 

Hamilton wanted a lot of things...including, at one point, a President for life. Hamilton, as a Federalist, was as close to being a Tory as one could get, without actually being one, and instead, favoring independence.
Also...you'll note that the standard for "conviction upon impeachment" is set high...at the same level necessary to overturn a Presidential veto.

 

Maybe they should've correlated the state polls with the EC votes, then it would've been accurate? But by golly that'd mean journalism would actually have to work. Part of the reason for #fakenews is simple laziness. We live in an era where people want to be spoonfed information, they don't seek it out themselves.

 

So just because Trump then? I mean really, that’s all I’m seeing, knowing what I know about history and all.

 

Next up, the Gohmert amendment to remove any mention of the name "Trump" in the impeachment articles against Donald John Trump.

 

Yes it is and this farce is designed to fail but this isn't about impeachment, this farce is about 2020 for the dem clown show.

 

That is where models come into place. You can not make a poll which predicts the EC outcome. You compile polling information from each State and model it against the individual rules within each State (because some allot based on counties, some allot all votes to the popular vote winner, etc.)

 

It's pretty much established fact that no other president in history (was caught) attempting election interference this obviously.

If you want to summarize that as "because Trump", I cannot argue against you...

 

If the shoe fits...

 

The first time Barr was nominated AG how did they go vote wise? Hmm?

 

I noted the history of your reference to Fast & Furious.

Holder testified multiple times and the Obama administration turned over several thousands of pages in documents.

Trump says all current and former employees and documents are absolutely immune.

 

It's the dems trying to put a size 13 male foot in a size 8 high heel.