It’s None Of My Business If Homeless People Use The Money I Give Them For Drugs

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  1. mitchscove

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    So you can't provide a shred of evidence. Why am I not surprised?!
     
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    Understandable!
     
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    Just reading through a few of the comments here I want to say 'most' homelessness is complex and sad and troublesome and destructive to people and society. It is so complex there are no simple answers. First, a certain percentage of Americans, no matter the reasons, are plagued with physical limitations, mental disorders, chemical abuse, prescription drugs, lack of education, etc. etc. When the US population is 325 million, things like homelessness are going to become larger issues due to the large numbers of Americans involved; if 17 out of every 10,000 Americans are homeless, it's easy to do the math to understand as population increases so does these issues. In places across the US where we cram 2-20 million people, obviously the homeless issue is going to be more critical. I didn't notice anyone on PF providing solutions to mental illness, or chemical abuse, or poor education, or the opioid epidemic...all of which surely are part of the basic solutions needed. As a society we CHOOSE to do almost nothing about problems we have known for decades! Then some of us get all pissy when a stranger asks for some change...
     
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    simple answer... execute them all or gather them up and ship them to venezaula...
     
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    I don't care if the homeless buy drugs with the money you give them. But I don't give them a dime.
     
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    If you think about this logically, money given to someone else is now their private property to do with what they want.

    If you aren’t ok with them doing what they want, don’t give them stuff. Your solution is elegant in its simplicity.
     
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    The same people who are now telling us that Global warming was going to kill us all...
     
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    After 34 years here, I saw my first homeless guy in Texas a couple weeks ago. It was sad.

    Maybe I’ll give a $5 or a $10 next time I see one.
     
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    If they don't seek help it's because they don't want help, OBVIOUSLY. So why would you force them to accept it? What is your goal, in treating them that way?
     
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    It's about avoiding harm.

    FTR, the failure to proactively 'judge' is exactly why 90% of homeless people are in the position they're in. And you would add to that?
     
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    Wrong again, fallacy noted also. It's almost exclusively big blue cities. There are inevitably a few winos in every town and city, some may be veterans, not a damn thing can be done about it other than to kick them out of town or put them in jail. It's kind of like unemployment in that regard "0" is impossible.

    It's the big blue cities that institutionalize homelessness and prioritize their safety over tax paying citizens that have the significant problems with it, no one else.
     
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    1) No it isn't complex. It's actually very simple. Families are failing to take responsibility for each other - from cradle to grave. That includes raising kids who won't become junkies. As regards population ... China has far more, and not many homeless. Even India ... while many live on streets due to the awful caste system, they live together as families and are NOT addicts.

    2) The solution is ever present. Families need to take responsibility for each other, from cradle to grave.
     
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    Mentally ill people do not have the capacity to seek help. You want to leave them on the streets just to moan about it?? Rather seeking a solution, you seek blame?? You guys are hilarious.
     
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    Noted is the fact that it's fakery you guys claimed that you care for veterans. Noted is the fact that governor of a state is in charge of the state, and the fact is red states gave homeless problems they don't want to address.
     
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    No, I want their families to care for them - as is done everywhere but the West.

    Unlike some, I actually want to see an end to such social dissolution. Pretending that solutions exist somewhere other than in family, is the standard cop out. Usually comes from the very people most invested in abandoning their own. Not hard to guess why.
     
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    Perhaps they would like to hear your words of wisdom. Maybe you should give them a good talking to because Jesus never thought of that.
     
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    In the documentary "Seattle is dying" https://komonews.com/news/local/komo-news-special-seattle-is-dying the estimate by Seattle Police is that almost all of the homeless the police have problems with are drug dependent. In Portland, there were some estimates that there were 38,000 homeless in 2017 and 70,000 homeless today. Why the huge increase? I believe it is because Portland is making every effort to accomodate homelessness. An example is that the City is considering asking new building projects to provide accomodations for homeless campers. https://www.wweek.com/news/city/201...ldings-to-provide-space-for-homeless-camping/ It seems that the more you spend on the homeless, the more homeless you have. And why are we calling them the euphamism 'homeless' when hobo junkies is much more appropos?

    Why would you reward abherrent bevior by rewarding a junky hobo with even more drugs? Because isn't that what it is all going to boil down to if you give them a dollar? The principals of conditioned response through positive reinforcement, first espoused by Carl Rogers, are going to kick in and create serious problems. Rewarding bad behavior with drugs (or your dollar) only reinforces the worst anti-social behavior of the homeless.

    And why are you rewarding the worst of society with the positive reinforcement of drugs, at the expense of business owners whose only sin is to start a business in downtown Portland? Shouldn't small business owners be rewarded for risking everything they own so that they can create jobs, prosperity, goods and service to the public as opposed to be punished by attracting more homeless who are going to defecate on their doorsteps, intimidate their customers, steal from your store, and vandalize your property?

    If you feel that giving money (drugs) to the homeless is a decent thing to do and what they do with that money is none of your business, then that is your right, but I think if you feel that way then you ought to explore the harm you are doing to your community by your actions.
     
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    Noted that you have a rare ability to cram more non sequitur and half-arguments into a post than most.
     
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    Those currently being failed by their families (or failing family themselves)? Too late for them, and either way they're a tiny percentage of the actual problem if this apathy continues. If you genuinely cared you would be looking forward proactively, not applying bandaids for a single moment in time. That's a total cop out.
     
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    Since this stuff is painfully obvious to anyone with even half a brain, we can only assume they're creating more homelessness and drug dependence deliberately.

    What many of us want to know is WHY. It's unbelievably cruel, and possibly even 'evil'. What is going on here that we're missing? There's no way that the people responsible can be so bizarrely stupid and ignorant, that they don't understand enabling.
     
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    Once you give a gift you give up all rights to the gift.

    If someone is standing on a corner next to McDonald's there's a good chance I'll order them a burger, it is very unlikely I'll give them a dollar
     
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    I think there is an evil core group intentionally promoting homelessness and poverty. They use the stupid and ignorant as a tool to accomplish their goals. Get some people emotional and they will believe/do anything.
     
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    What's the pay off, I wonder. Let's assume it's deliberate (since we know they can't be that stupid), what's it for?
     
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