Educated vs "Non-Educated"

Oh I agree institutions of higher learning are responsible for instilling authoritarian ideas in their attendees.

But in this case, contrary to the mantra of progressives in this thread claiming more educated people voted for Clinton, higher education “failed”. College grads of color voted for Trump at higher rates than non college graduates of color. Reality is 180 degrees from their assertions. I’d like a progressive to serve us a word salad as to why.

When people post statistics that directly contradict their premise I’m fascinated. It seems people like you who understand what’s going on in education are the only ones willing to discuss the issue now.

 

I bet you do. A whole book full of drunk divorced PhD's that don't do well with their kids.
Maybe that's why your so crank-y.

 

Oh, so now you are going to pretend that the 38% of generalists you spoke of were not primary care family or internal medicine, but rather generalists who came right out of med school and hung out a shingle

You never need to. You're wrong.

DOs can practice orthopedics in every state.
And neither MDs or DOs are required to board certify in order to practice.

Get this through your skull, board certification is not a requirement to practice for anyone

 

I have two ideas on the minorities vs white Trump vote.
The first, and maybe best, it that minorities were motivated by different things in this election than whites.
It seems to me most of the uneducated whites were looking for someone to blame for their problems of inability to get ahead. Hence their attraction to Trump.
The minorities on the other hand have had that problem forever so it didn't resonate.
The second is that the educated minorities said this guy can't be that bad, while the less educated said wanna bet?

 

Plus, Toyota delivered gas mileage while Detroit fought gas mileage standards.

 

Thanks for the thoughts. It’s possible some were not looking for someone to blame but rather saw someone willing to address problems left unsolved for decades, like international trade.

What problem? Needing someone to blame?

Why would educated minorities be fooled when non educated were not? We have been told repeatedly that education was the antidote to Trump brainwashing and that dumb non college grads were the ones fooled. Did education destroy powers of discernment? What baggage comes with a college degree that makes Trump more attractive to voters? If Pew is right and CNN exit polling is wrong, why does college education affect whites differently than non whites?

Fascinating to think about.

 

Must be human nature but it does seem the tallest gets the majority of promotions on the male side.

 

Fear not. Trump is restoring it back to greatness. The country is stronger now than it has been in years.

 

Sure, like that. Remember the rallies?
"They are stealing your jobs."

I was thinking more like not getting ahead.

Like I said. I think it was more about wanting different things not about differences in education.
Trump still lost by a bunch to educated minorities. Just not quite as bad.

 

Yeah, and females with boobs.
So everyone hires tall guys with boobs.

 

Rallies always attract a certain demographic whether it’s a Trump rally or the Democratic flavor of the week. I wouldn’t judge the average voter by what we see at rallies, but that’s just me. I don’t want to judge Clinton voters by the nuts clawing on the doors of the SC.

Oh. So we are on the same page as far as individuals taking responsibility for not getting ahead. I’m so used to being pummeled with the victim narrative this is a welcome change.

Yep, he lost the minority vote. No surprise. What is surprising is how education made minorities want to vote for Trump. Nobody can answer that. Are you saying educated minorities wanted trade issues addressed, illegal immigration slowed, and the individual mandate of the ACA to go away and non educated minorities just want status quo?

 

Yes it is stronger in many ways. But it remains divided. I wonder if that will ever be remedied.

 

Actually Clinton did better than Obama so I'm not sure Trump played much of a part.


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/

 

The young people have it figured out. It's just a matter of time.

 

Yes that’s all well established and the reason why is understood. Still doesn’t answer why higher education led minorities to vote for Trump at a higher rate than non educated minorities.

 

Interesting. Care to elaborate?

 

They are color blind.

 

Maybe we are looking at it backwards.
Maybe we should examine why more uneducated minorities voted for Clinton.

 

Hmmm. Hadn’t noticed. We were approaching that state rapidly in the early 2000’s but it seems to have gone backwards considerably since. Many of the people keeping race an issue are quite young.

 

Sure, why do you think being uneducated made Clinton attractive?

 

That one is easy.
Because of all the stuff Trump said about minorities.

 

Trump.

 

So college education makes minorities not care about “stuff said about minorities”? Did it make them able to be more pragmatic and less emotional? Or did it give them critical thinking skills enabling them to see past race baiting and evaluate Trump on his actions and accomplishments instead of popular media driven narratives?

 

Interesting. A higher percentage of minorities think President Obama failed than whites. Wonder why?
Do you model your beliefs about Presidents and race relations on public opinion? Are the majorities correct in your opinion? Or do you have your own views on the subject? Does one’s “race” add or detract weight or value from their personal opinion?

Are all these people who are judging Presidents on racial matters color blind? Or are their children the color blind ones, the children who are constantly bombarded with their elders leveling charges of racism and bigotry against peers with differing political views?

Well you’ve succeeded in diverting the conversation away from the fact education turned minorities on to Trump, so kudos for that. My question remains unanswered.....

As does the question of who’s to be more trusted. Pew with “subsidized” pollees or CNN with exit polling? As far apart as their numbers are, somebody is clearly wrong.

 

The Preamble says" WE the PEOPLE of the United States, IN ORDER to form a more perfect Union..... . What does that mean? Who came up with this? I think one has to look at the composition of the people who came here and lived here for many years before these words were even written. Not all, who made the journey to this New World were righteous and upstanding. The majority brought their believes and values with them from the Old Country. Some came who were idealist's and had visions of hope and dreams of a better life. Many came from different cultures that clashed with each other. With the righteous was also evil. One must remember in the beginning, the mindset of our founding fathers, was not for a place called the United States of America. Their allegiance was to the country they came from and the lands they conquered for those countries. Slavery and indentured servants were not an invention of America. Woman were not considered high on the social scale. The Caste system was in place long before our government was in place. Religious people fought and committed atrocities against each other, it seems, for ever. All these social conflicts were inherited and imported into this New World, as each group of new arrivals landed on our shores.

When the pain gets too great, one searches for relief. remember The people, who were in charge when the revolution begin, were appointed by the respected governments they came from. Some were ruthless and had no qualms about killing there own citizens in order to maintain the status quo. So we had this festering animosity against the Old World Order and the cure was to lance the sore and cut it out. Thankfully we had some educated men who realized we needed a set of rules, to try and maintain peace, after they had thrown off the shackles of tyranny. Now the problem was what form of government did they want. They were not perfect men and at todays standards many would be outcasts. At that time they were considered honorable men. Should we hoist them up on the pyre of wood and set them on fire because they decided to rid themselves of corruption and try to change their ways and make life better for future generations? Which of us doesn't hold some of the same attitudes, against our fellow man? In spite of others, who wish to see us fail , we are still working to better our country and form a more perfect Union. …… establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence , promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, ….