American soldiers should disobey and refuse to fight in case of battles

Hello,

I think that american soldiers should refuse to fight in case they're asked to.
Their lives are precious and anyway they're considered as trash by their own society, there is no respect for them. They're just considered them as pawns. They would be praised the time, they're necessary, and then scorned, forgotten.
We can't say that either the democrats or liberals have any respect ofr their lives.

If they risk their lives, they would probably underestimate greatly the value of their own life.
What they risk ? As far as I know desertion isn't punished by death anymore. Poverty ? Better than death. Prison ? Better than death.

 

ya, ok, go burn a flag or something

 

I'm not a liberal.

 

I agree with your sentiment, but the reality faced by enlisted soldiers can be far worse than you post. Prison is highly likely for anyone deserting in a peaceful environment, but desertion in a war zone environment can result in execution. We have a strictly volunteer military right now, but once you're in, you're compelled to follow orders--period. The real answer is to not volunteer. Once in, the best answer is to work toward obtaining positions that don't involve deployment to active conflict areas until one can obtain a discharge.

 

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You're mistake is in your first line. Soldiers are not asked to do anything. They're ORDERED. No one wants the consequences of refusing to follow an order be it peace time or war time.

 

Soldiers will follow their orders.

I do believe that Congress should also go to war with the soldiers.

 

Yes, I heard that over 100 Democrats voted with the Republicans so that Trump can go to war against Iran Iraq and anyone else he wants without getting permission from Congress.

 

Wrong. In Germany we can denie obviously unlawful orders. Im an officer. If my superior orders me something that is not legal, i can disobey.

 

So if your officer orders you to shoot a harmless prisoner, you'd do so? That was the excuse the Nazis used.

 

totally agree. If rich men behind desks decide to send other men to war then they should lead the charge - maybe then war would not be so easily waged

 

Than it ceases to be an Army and becomes a Club of Anarchists

 

It is. We haven't done that since 1945, but still its possible.

"Any person found guilty of desertion or attempt to desert shall be punished, if the offense is committed in time of war, by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct." - 2019 The Manual for Courts-Martial.

 

That's why I speak of disobeying. And I know, that's why butchery such WW1 happened :

That would be positive.

That's what I was concerned about. Governments need that kind of things to convince people to go to the butchery.

 

No Sir, the soldiers would beat them to a pulp inside of 30 seconds.

 

Wow, you sure assume a lot don't you. Check out the definition of ass-u-me.

 

I wasn't happy about being forced to leave my home and family. But that works well for the government. I was trigger happy and wanted to kill everything that was non-GI while I acted out my anger and got well self-treating myself.

It's a shame it was after 1948 and it was all a lot of effort for nothing.

 

Where you want this killin' done Sir. Right cheer?

 

How does one do that without a declaration of war?

 

True, same here. The topic wasn't shooting an unarmed, innocent citizen. The topic was 'refusing to fight'. Sorry I didn't quote two or three pages of law from the Judge Advocate General.

 

Call it the Iraq Joint Resolution or the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, get simple majorities to vote for them in congress, and off you go. Or do it like scraggy Truman with executive orders and just a UN Resolution.

I don't know if the Joint Resolutions are possibly legal, but a UN Resolution is of no account at all. However, that's how they do it in Washington, D.C.

 

Except now there is a little thing called the War Powers Act..

 

Every president from Clinton forward has violated that.

 

Which is why I refuse to give up my children to military service.

 

They're your children. You decide.

But children are unpredictable. My cousin's mother begged him to apply for conscientious objector, and as a Jehovah's Witness he wouldn't have had to go.
But he loved killing and served four tours in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia -- most of it in enemy territory.

It was his mother's constant needling that made him a killer and a very good soldier.