Former LGBTQers Testify: If You No Longer Want to Be Gay or Transgender, You Don't Have to Be

I didn't know that. It must be difficult talking with them. they must be Orthodox Atheists.

 

It can be. Most of it eventually devolves into the "pagan parallels" argument, which tries to show that all of the details of Jesus's life are copies of other myths. Most of the supposed parallels are complete fabrications, such as claiming that the ancient Egyptians believed that Horus was crucified and reborn or that the ancient Greeks believed the same about Dionysus. When you go looking up the "sources" for these claims, none of them actually go back to pre-Christian primary sources. It all goes back to some writers in the 1800s who took a looooooot of creative liberties or outright made stuff up in order to concoct these supposed parallels.

For example, there are no Egyptian depictions of Horus being crucified, but there are people who swear that they exist. When you go digging, they are actually basing it on the fact that there are carvings where Horus is shown with his arms outstretched . . . not on a cross or anything . . . not being killed . . . just his arms out to his side. Some will claim that Krishna was crucified and reborn. Where does that come from? A poet in the 1800s saw some images of Krishna with holes in his feet and decided to make up the rest; in actually, those holes represented Krishna being shot in the feet by a hunter who had confused him for a deer. It gets infuriating, especially because a lot of people I've debated this with are otherwise intelligent folk who know how to do research. They just get embarrassed when it turns out they were wrong and they defend it to protect their ego.

 

Give me their names so I can put them on "ignore" immediately and save myself from getting a migraine.

 

Lol, don't worry. It doesn't come up very often around the forums. Most of what you'll find here along the same vein is just along the lines of "We have no reliable, contemporary eye-witness accounts of his existence, so I don't have any reason to believe he existed." Much more rational, but still would make many historians tear their hair out.

 

"Lends support" does not say it is the sole or even majority factor in the disorders categorized in homosexuals and transgender people.

They even admit that. From the study which you selectively left out:

Whether or not discrimination is the cause, mental health problems have previously been found to be higher among homosexual people. In 2008, Professor Michael King and his team at University College London, UK, carried out a review of 28 papers on the subject. All were published between 1966 and 2005, and included a total of 214,344 heterosexual and 11,971 homosexual people.

His team looked at rates of mental disorder among 7,403 adults living in the UK, whose details were obtained from the Adult Psychiatric Morbidity Survey 2007. Rates of depression, anxiety, obsessive compulsive disorder, phobia, self-harm, suicidal thoughts, and alcohol and drug dependence were significantly higher in homosexual respondents.

“Our study confirms earlier work carried out in the UK, USA and Holland which suggests that non-heterosexual people are at higher risk of mental disorder, suicidal ideation, substance misuse and self-harm than heterosexual people.”

Try reading the entire study. It was published in 2018 and the amount of disorders has not gone down significantly since forced acception proving my point.

Its amusing now that you've lost the mental disorder debate you are desperate to prove its everyone else's fault for the mental disorders.


The most telling part of the study:

“Finally, our results add to evidence that sexual experiences in childhood in men classified as gay or bisexual may play a role in adult psychological adjustment,” they conclude.


Another well known fact the LGBT community always likes to pretend doesn't exist.

 

It still demolishes your narrative that homosexuality is a proven psychological disorder, just that bigots cause them to experience stressors that cause the mental health issues.

 

LOL It doesn't disprove anything. You are arguing the cause of the disorder not the results.

Since you cut it out of my reply let's look at it again:

Whether or not discrimination is the cause, mental health problems have previously been found to be higher among homosexual people. In 2008, Professor Michael King and his team at University College London, UK, carried out a review of 28 papers on the subject. All were published between 1966 and 2005, and included a total of 214,344 heterosexual and 11,971 homosexual people.

His team looked at rates of mental disorder among 7,403 adults living in the UK, whose details were obtained from the Adult Psychiatric Morbidity Survey 2007. Rates of depression, anxiety, obsessive compulsive disorder, phobia, self-harm, suicidal thoughts, and alcohol and drug dependence were significantly higher in homosexual respondents.

“Our study confirms earlier work carried out in the UK, USA and Holland which suggests that non-heterosexual people are at higher risk of mental disorder, suicidal ideation, substance misuse and self-harm than heterosexual people.”

Once again your fake claim is disproven with the actual facts the study provides.

And one of the most telling stats which of course you refused to respond to for obvious reasons:

“Finally, our results add to evidence that sexual experiences in childhood in men classified as gay or bisexual may play a role in adult psychological adjustment,” they conclude.

So no cd8ed your fake claim that homosexuality and transgender are not psychological disorders has been disproven with actual scientific studies proving people with these disorders suffer from greater depression substance abuse, and self harm than heterosexuals.

Your denials perform a disservice to admitting the truth and getting these people help.

 

I edited nothing. You realize people can see you edited your post after my post, yes... there is a name for people that make statements they know are not true.

You have still not proven homosexuality is a psychological disorder. Your report does not say this in any way shape or form. So far your study has said that bigotry and sexual experiences in childhood cause the issues — not homosexuality.

Your narrative must be extremely fragile to have to resort to outright lie after lie...

 

name one religious person who wants to lock up transexuals...

 

Maybe you should mind yer own business and let people live...

 

LOL, lets get some contradiction going here, Funny stuff man

Hilarious! So the Bible isn't considered a historical tome in your ever rearranging world ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯

 

And yet, here you are over your own advice to simply "

mind yer own business and let people live".
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Don't you just hate it when that hypocritical moment jumps up when it's least expected

 

Don't you have some disproportionately devastating news for miners that are too stupid to learn how to do programing?

 

Well until I do you will suffice, granted, not top shelf but still, in a pinch, sure

 

I bet you used boolean algebraic expressions to get the binary code to write that.

 

And the UK is hardly anti-gay, they arrest pastors preaching the Bible on that subject, and even the Church of England is caving in to the gay agenda.

 

Nah, just plain old superior wit is all, and to be honest, it's usually overkill here with this encounter being a perfect example

 

I am sure that Gilligan would be more proud than Maynard..

 

A large majority of these people have long standing child hood trauma imo. They either use self reflection to realize that or they just pick up some new hobby to distract themselves from that big hole within themselves.

""I had fully believed in this lie that gets perpetuated that people don't change, they can't change, and if you try to change them, it's detrimental to their health. And I just want to say that's a lie."

I guess that's all dependant on whether one actually acknowledged their trama. Some people do while others never acknowledge the root cause of their problems and instead address a superficial problem like sexuality. If they don't address that trauma they just change out vices imo

 

Although they are one in the same, now Dobie might have had an opinion ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯

 

Since we are talking about what we think here's my thoughts there is a certain limited number of people who truly are homosexual through genetics. The figure is low imo and then there is a much larger section of LGBTQ who are confused people, likely from childhood trauma, who are just trying anything and everything to fill that hole in themselves.

I would show statistics on this but there aren't any studies that I've seen that ask the LGBTQ community about their childhood up bringing. That in and of it's self I find telling myself.

 

Your English comprehension needs a lot of work.

As I said, your English comprehension needs a lot of work. You are just wasting my time now.

 

And? the same I true for teen-agers and the elderly. Doctors and Dentists kill themselves at higher than normal rates. Elderly heterosexual kill themselves at higher rates than gay 30 year olds.

Over 90% of gay people don't kill themselves. But you try and shoe-horn them into the same little box. Everyone is different - gay or straight - and judging the whole of a group by a small percentage of that group is always a fail.

And why would a grown person spend their days worrying about what gay people do? They are a small percentage of the population. They aren't hurting others more than any other group - in fact, less than most. Relax, you aren't going to "catch the gay". Use your time more constructively. Ease world hunger. Be nice to an elderly person, even if they might be gay.

 

Wrong!

It STIPULATES "latest POLITICAL news" right under the name of the forum!

 

WRONG!

"Pray-out-the-gay" conversion therapy is an abject FAILURE and is now illegal in 84 jurisdictions across the nation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._jurisdictions_banning_conversion_therapy