Educated vs "Non-Educated"

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  1. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It’s not the skill they find difficult, it’s the menial character of the skill they find hard to accept—they think they are above such trivialities.
     
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  2. ronv

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    The fact that they had trouble finding moderate rebels is way different than saying they funded Al Qaeda.
     
  3. Ixtellor

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    You can be highly educated and choose an evil action anyway. Its right there in your quote.

    You have no evidence that a significant portion of college educated Progressive think Che or Maduro is a hero. (This is where you misuse anecdotal evidence again, thus proving you don't understand what it is) Also, you qualified your answer to "progressives" which are a minority among college educated people, thus... another logical fallacy I won't bother mentioning since you still haven't grasped the first one.

    Blue collar workers have been voting democrat until very recently. (We are talking about on the average not your anecdotes you love to misuse). As to blue collar workers and support for Reagan here is a fun tidbit you won't comprehend. A majority of Americans support the Affordable Care Act, but oppose Obamacare.

    You have failed at every turn to demonstrate understanding, so I see no point in responding further. I would advice you spend some time learning about logic and try debating again in the future once you do.
     
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  4. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    College support for Che Guevera:
    https://www.quora.com/Why-are-college-students-so-obsessed-with-Che-Guevara

    College support for Socialsim:
    https://www.intellectualtakeout.org...s-love-socialism-dont-have-clue-what-it-means.

    Logic is not data, it’s non-contradictory identification. You postulated that being college educated makes you less likely to be manipulated or manipulative, that you’ll be more rational. I have argued your education does not determine your morality, nor your rationality-it’s your fidelity to reality that determines your integrity. (Something JK Rowling has and the LBTQ mob leaders don’t). Honest minds can’t be cheated, but any man can be fooled, educated or not.

    It’s not the college educated that will lead the human race to liberty and prosperity; nor is it the willfully ignorant, it’s the independent mind that thinks for itself, whatever it’s degree of knowledge, that will.

    To look down on someone because they don't understand how to find the atomic weight of an atom is sign of your own insecurities, not a tribute to your brilliance.
     
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  5. dagosa

    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    I doubt it.
    Do you doubt Obamas place of birth is in the United States ?
     
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  6. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I’d advise you to rethink your understanding of logic, and the college-educated.

    Ayn Rand: “Observe that today’s resurgence of tribalism is not a product of the lower classes—of the poor, the helpless, the ignorant—but of the intellectuals, the college-educated “elitists” (which is a purely tribalistic term). Observe the proliferation of grotesque herds or gangs—hippies, yippies, beatniks, peaceniks, Women’s Libs, Gay Libs, Jesus Freaks, Earth Children—which are not tribes, but shifting aggregates of people desperately seeking tribal “protection.”

    The common denominator of all such gangs is the belief in motion (mass demonstrations), not action—in chanting, not arguing—in demanding, not achieving—in feeling, not thinking—in denouncing “outsiders,” not in pursuing values—in focusing only on the “now,” the “today” without a “tomorrow”—in seeking to return to “nature,” to “the earth,” to the mud, to physical labor, i.e., to all the things which a perceptual mentality is able to handle. You don’t see advocates of reason and science clogging a street in the belief that using their bodies to stop traffic, will solve any problem.”http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/anti-conceptual_mentality/7.html (Written in the sixties, and even more relevant today.
     
  7. dagosa

    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    You don’t use anything as a source that actually backs you up.
    I’m guessing, you certainly read them.
     
  8. dagosa

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    Just asking.....birther ? Anyone who can claim a president of the United States heads a movement to arm terrorist entities, has an alternative motive. There are none, zero, nada facts to back you up. So. Are you a birther ?
     
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    How many birthers do you suppose voted for Obama?
     
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    Are you a birther ?
     
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    i agree. there are parts of education that are getting missed and it's the parents job not schools. basic car service is just one example.
     
  12. Giftedone

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    Either you are bereft of logic and reason - or you are being disingenuous. I suggest the latter is true.

    1) Tens of thousands of tons military equipment was shipped into Syria - over a period of 5 years - along with supplies, and support. Enough for an entire army. Along with the regular albeit sophisticated military equipment of war .. Howitzers , Rocket Launchers, military vehicles ...and so on - some very sophisticated weapons such as TOW missiles -surface to air missiles - and other stuff.

    2) They had trouble finding Moderates

    If not to the anti Assad Rebels - then who did this stuff go to ? The five moderate Rebels that they didn't manage to find until the war had been waging for 3 years ?

    Do tell ...while pretending not to know that Congress has already told us that this stuff went to Al Qaeda -

    You are in serious denial my friend.

    What are you not getting here ? What part of "Enough for an entire Army" - "Over 5 years" - do you not understand.

    You have shown that you know little about the conflict in Syria - which is fine - but, do you have no knowledge of the kind of firepower it takes to take on a Nation State ?

    Aside from the fact that "Congress has already told us that this stuff went to Al Qaeda"
     
  13. ronv

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    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-22906965
     
  14. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Congress (both Red and Blue) has claimed that the US has armed a proxy army - comprised of - and led by terrorist entities. Obama was the President while this was happening.

    The Defense Intelligence Agency has also stated the same - as have a gazillion other sources - either explicitly or implicitly.

    You claiming that Congress some big conspiracy - akin to "Birtherism" - to frame Obama for something he did not do.

    And you are welcome to live in the land of denial if you wish.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your link supports everything I have said.

    That the US was arming the anti Assad rebels - was not a secret back in 2013 when the article was written - and it says so in the article... and there was a whole lot more info that has come out since then. Back then - it was supposed to be "covert" ... but it is hard to keep an effort that was so extensive in scope - a secret.

    Your link implicates the US - but also talks about Qatar, Saudi Arabia and others as being major suppliers - We now know that the US was leading this global effort to arm an Islamist Jihadist proxy army.

    Kind of patht
     
  16. ronv

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    Did I mention.
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    Are you a birther?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You didn't have to - I realize you have been reduced to posting silly pictures because you have been slapped silly out of the ring :)

    Did I mention that "Congress has told us that Obama armed Al Qaeda in Syria" :) :oldman::oldman::oldman::deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse:
     
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    Well I guess I could post another half dozen links pointing out Obama was concerned about the aid getting to the radicals, but it hasn't seemed to work.
    Cling to your alternative facts.
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    The depths of denial you are sinking to is unfortunate. What did you expect Obama to do - go on candid camera and state - "Today we have decided to arm a radical Islamist proxy army in Syria - led by the 911 terrorist group - Al Qaeda"

    You can't be this naive. Did Bush ever stand up and say "we lied our faces off to get the US public to go along with the Iraq war" ?

    but we don't need Obama to tell us this - Congress has told us - bipartisan. Our own Defense Intelligence Agency has told us - confirming a gazillion other sources that were saying the same thing.

    It is not some big secret - The history books have been written - and now that Obama is out of office and the war is near over - this will soon be a topic that is not "verboten" in the MSM ... at which point you will feel really dumb .. or at least you should if you have any self respect.
     
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    Did Bush ever stand up and say I don't want to do this because there may be no WMDs.
     
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    Are you a parrot ?
     
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    Well, you seem to be motivated to make up stuff....are you a birther ?

    got a real reference other then heritage ?
     
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    I’m trying to get you to see the silly nature of your question. What are the odds a birther would vote for Obama? Your question was absurd, and your inability to answer my question reinforces that fact.

    I frankly don’t care where people are born. When I agreed with Obama it was based on specifics of that policy/action. When I disagreed with him it was the same. I understand the reason for the birth requirements for President in the Constitution, but it isn’t a big deal to me personally because I judge actions/policy/effectiveness, not birthplace, melanin levels, gender, etc.

    No, I’m not a parrot. You asked the question repeatedly of others. The fact someone asks you the same question does not make one a parrot. Do you have any empirical evidence a parrot is capable of creating an account on PF and engaging in conversation using the written word?
     
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    I'll leave you with this one that goes right to the heart of your claim.
    Conclusion
    Both NewsPunch and Examiner.com claimed that Obama had “ordered the CIA to train ISIS.” That’s not what happened.

    According to multiple reports by reputable news organizations, the CIA (under the Obama administration) carried out a covert program of training and arming Syrian rebels to fight against the Assad regime. That’s largely what the program achieved, too; but as a result of greed and corruption, some of the weapons supplied to the rebels were sold on to the black market, and some of those ended up in the hands of IS fighters.

    One could conduct a reasonable debate about the Obama administration’s overall management of the program, its efforts to vet the intermediaries involved, or prevent foreseeable theft or smuggling of the weapons, and so on. But one cannot, based on the facts available, claim that Obama “ordered the CIA to train IS.” He didn’t.
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-cia-isis-train/
     

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