Iran has admitted it shot down the Ukraine flight.

You've been deceived.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/01/daniel-mcadams/pompeo-i-lied-about-soleimani-imminent-attacks/

 

Thanks for giving me the floor.

I defer to Jack Cashill, who likely knows more details about the shootdown of TWA800 than anybody else.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/01/no_author/ukrainian-752-shoot-down-mirrors-fate-of-twa-800/

In the unlikely event you are interested in becoming informed on the TWA800 matter, read any of the many articles he has published. You can find him in Google, if you dare.

 

Evidence of the corruption and evil of the Putin, Russia:

“Iran’s only female Olympic medalist has reportedly defected, posting a goodbye letter to Iran on Saturday, calling out the government's "hypocrisy" as she announced she had permanently left the country.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...ypocrisy-as-she-exits-country-permanently.ampIran

And that is the nation Putin and Russia support.

Now, I’ll give credit were credit is due, she’s a very creative and artistic writer, she knows how to mix real geo-politics with the idealogical fantasies of mysticism and nationalism to give arguments for her position, but when she starts siding with totalitarianism over liberty, all her facts and data go up smoke, like a magician’s illusions. She is magical, but her point of view is delusional at best, and downright deceitful at worst.

 

Exactly what I’m talking about. Delusional, with a touch of real geopolitics. If you were alive during Hitler’s taking over Czechoslovakia, you’d be Chamberlain’s speech writer.

 

It sounds like you may be the speech writer for Trump or Bush.

 

So someone made a statement on PF without actual knowledge?
Who'd a thunk it?

 

If a US Navy ship shot down TWA800, the sailors on that ship would've blabbed.

I was a US Navy sailor on a warship for many years. If my ship had shot down a civilian airliner, I would've known about it, the entire crew would've known about it, and, contrary to popular belief, US military personnel are human beings, and not robot drones who do as they're programmed.

I would've squealed. Basically the whole crew would've squealed. Especially if it was a shootdown of an American airliner. There's no way, short of slaughtering the entire crew, could they have stopped the crew from blabbing, and, had they done that, somebody might just have noticed.

As far as the tinfoil hatter "THEY would've threatened to kill you and your whole family!" yeah, then I really would've squealed as quick and as loud as possible, as that would've been the only way to keep me and mine alive, right?

I PERSONALLY heard crewmembers of the USS Vincennes blabbing about the shootdown of Flight 655 back in 1988. My ship was moored at the same pier that the Vincennes returned to after the shootdown, and the sailors did blab about it. Oh, they did blab. The Captain of their ship and HIS WIFE were getting death threats, and the crew of the Vincennes was crapping themselves, and they WERE blabbing.

Has any US Navy sailor ever blabbed about the TWA800 incident? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

 

They used to plant spooks in among the enlisted men occasionally, but the worst they would have done is kill the man if what a man was doing was bad enough and the window to stop it legally was short, but not kill the man's family as that wouldn't supported the mission.

 

There are hundreds of enlisted guys on any given warship. There's no way you're shutting them all up. It's just not going to work.

Cripes, the Pat Tillman cover-up attempt fell apart faster than a Chinese motorcycle, and that was only a handful of enlisted involved.

People blab, they always blab, and military people are still just people.

 

Well, Eleuthera, I scraped together the necessary courage to "dare" to read Mr. Cashill's article... and found a synopsis of the by-now familiar suspicions, hints, assumptions, and unsubstantiated innuendo that have 'fogged' the TWA 800 affair for over twenty years. Mr. Cashill attempted to draw points of comparison between that event and the recent situation of these Iranian idiots shooting down a Ukrainian civilian airliner.

The 'proof' Cashill provides begins with his declaration that, "On July 17, 1996, a comparable missile strike destroyed TWA 800 off the coast of Long Island shortly after the Boeing 747 took off from JFK", stated as FACT, but without any supporting proof! Indeed, Cashill's entire thesis seems to rest on what he declares are various irregularities in the handling of the crash -- i.e., the FBI taking over the investigation instead of the NTSB, the anecdotal recollections of various witnesses-on-the-ground, etc.

Parenthetically, I'm NO fan of the FBI, Eleuthera -- but my utter disgust with what was once regarded as the most honorable, trustworthy, and professional law-enforcement agency in the United States grew only AFTER Director James Comey turned it into a weaponized political arm of the Democrat Party during "Messiah" Obama's regime....

Cashill could possibly have anchored his suspicions about TWA 800 in the neglected report that a month after the explosion, chemists at the FBI crime laboratory in Washington found traces of PETN, an explosive component in bombs and various types of missiles. But nowhere in the article whose link you provided did Cashill even mention it...(?).

 

Given your age you grew up in the Cold War. I have a question for you. Have you ever set foot in Russia in the last 10-20 years? Or ever?

Ayn Rand was born in Saint Petersburg, Russia. She was a communist from a well-off family.

Here's Atlas Shrugged. Get it anywhere you want in Russia:

 

Impressive. The collectivists days are number, just like in Atlas Shrugged. This is a very good sign. Thank you.

 

The True Story of Iran


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In 1979, the regime began its project by making an enemy of America during the hostage crisis. That got Iran sanctioned worldwide, sanctions that even the JCPOA didn't remove. The economy kept deteriorating.“

https://twitter.com/shaykhatiri/status/1216099245775892481?s=21

And that’s the way it is.

 

LOL—Her heroine, Kira, may have slept with a communist to save the hero she loved, but Ayn Rand, herself, was a very white soul in a very red world.

 

The responsibility for investigation was delegated to the Dutch Safety Board (DSB) and the Dutch-led joint investigation team (JIT), who concluded that the airliner was downed by a Buk surface-to-air missile launched from pro-Russian separatist-controlled territory in Ukraine.[7][8] According to the JIT, the Buk that was used originated from the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade of the Russian Federation,[9][10] and had been transported from Russia on the day of the crash, fired from a field in a rebel-controlled area, and the launcher returned to Russia after it was used to shoot down MH17.[1][2][9] On the basis of the JIT's conclusions, the governments of the Netherlands and Australia hold Russia responsible for the deployment of the Buk installation and are taking steps to hold Russia formally accountable.[11][1

me thinks we have a Russian troll ostap bender

 

Of course this will be politicised but I don't think it should be... it is a terribly sad mistake

 

If it takes down the Iranian regime, it will be a terribly sad mistake with an asterisk.

 

Well the "mistake' certainly took the heat off Trump...

 

What is this supposed to mean, I don't get it. Quote "Cyril Ramaphosa " “The report that came out was that the EFF was an MI6 project"

 

I've had it... with the British, they've supported, propped up and caused torture & death with their interference in Africa - not just South Africa. They need to fu*k off back to England

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...anc-to-take-back-seat.565600/#post-1071251140

 

What about the Russians? No? No problem with Russians?
Or the Turks and their Ottoman Empire and what THEY did.
How about the Chinese and their nine-dash line imperialism? Seen the secret photos of their treatment of Muslims?
How about the Vietnamese and their Indo China empire?
Or the Mongols? Biggest land empire in the world, pretty brutal I understand.
Did you know Caesar chopped the arms off his enemies? The lucky ones became slaves.
Zulus were pretty bad too - they waged a kind of total war.
And read about the Maoris who chartered a British ship and sailed to Chatham Island and killed all the natives?
I could go on - the only nations that didn't mistreat other nations were those who didn't get a chance.

 

Nope no problem, the Russians had Soros and his propaganda figured out looooong before everyone else, they also had to deal with Al Qaeda/extremists before any of us had to AND Putin offered entry to Russia for 15,000 South African farmers when everyone else turned their backs on them that's plenty decent of him if you ask me... (all the while the British were funding the *******s doing the killing, raping and torturing).

Turks... problems I have with the Turks are ISIS and the Kurds, otherwise I'm good thank you.

let see who's next on your list....
China are communists... I f*iu(*&ng* hate communists... otherwise they're ok

Vietnam nope.. they're fine these days... moving away from communism, I like the South East Asians, the Thai especially, very nice people. As long as they're not communists or terrorists

Not going to comment on the Mongols and the Romans, I have too much to say.

Zulus... a warrior tribe... have no particular issues with the Zulus except when they try to kill me which is part of their culture, so not taking it personally.... have plenty issues with the ANC communists.

Maoris... met some Maoris they're good people,

end of list.....

ok so you need to understand that there are particular reasons I am angry with Britain... specific reasons. They pretend to be oh so liberal then go and fund a Ku Klux Klan African movement to brutally kill and murder white christian farmers. We're not talking about the 1800's we're talking about 2000's NOW TODAY while pretending to be oh so woke... while yelling racist racist racist at other people.
This is merely ONE OF THE REASONS.

Africa is brutal, if you want to know how brutal you can read this, in particular the sawmill scene
The Fabric of Terror; Three Days in Angola. Introd. by Robert Ruark. Afterword by James Burnham. Illus. by Julio Gil
https://www.amazon.com/Fabric-Angol...meta_binding_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

Besides if you're so ok with brutality why don't you submit yourself to some.... go and help yourself, these people never asked for it or pretended that it's ok... nonchalantly sweeping it aside like you're doing now.

 

If you make your decisions based upon facts, and you are curious about what happened with TWA800, you should read the works of Jack Cashill. I doubt you will, but you should.

As for a sailor blabbing, somewhere on an internet forum some years back, a poster said that his nephew, or son-in-law or some relative was serving on one of the Navy vessels involved. He said yes, it was an accidental shootdown.

So yeah, sailors blab and so do soldiers.

TWA800 was an accidental shootdown by USN. Why else would POTUS interrupt normal network broadcasting on a Friday evening to inform the public that an airliner had crashed?

 

So the nephew or son-in-law or some relative or another of some internet rando blabbed about his US Navy ship shooting down TWA800?

Well, I'm convinced.

That's your idea of a "fact? Seriously? Are you serious with this foolishness?

I've read Jack Chashill's tinfoil hattery. It's nonsense.

If a US Navy ship shot a missile that brought down an American airliner directly off the heavily-populated coast of of the US, there isn't the slightest chance that it could be successfully covered up. Not even for a few weeks. It just could not happen.

The crew of the ship would come forward, and they would blab about it. To think they wouldn't, is to have no idea who US Navy sailors are, or how they operate.

Simple question for you- Do you think US Navy sailors are heartless, evil monsters, or just normal human beings?

 

Read a bit more o' Cashill, if you dare. You and he may be much closer than you think on good guys v. bad guys in the FBI. http://www.cashill.com/twa800/

Yes, the TWA800 thing was so very 'fogged' that a handful of career men with NTSB managed to eventually field a request for re-examination of the case. Career men with NTSB know very damn well that placing the FBI in charge of an accident investigation reeks of political intrigue.

Politics in accident investigations has no place, but Clinton inserted it, so that a cover-up could be started.

The TWA800 official story is pure hogwash, as you likely know but refuse to admit.