Educated vs "Non-Educated"

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    I have no clue what that is supposed to mean.
     
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    Teaching philosophy and about the various philosophies that exist is part and parcel of education. Just like teaching comparative religion is part of education. There is no cabal of marxists infecting public schools.
     
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    We have a mix of public and private industry. Not even public healthcare will change an economy to a socialist one. Even Hayek recognized this.
     
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    But not if they repeat Fox News tripe. The problem with your statement is that the right doesn’t even want real history and science taught in schools because, they’re “political.”——- which is ridiculous . The right thinks AGW is an opinion and not science and works like heck to call it a political agenda
     
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    I would hope that you are not suggesting that capitalism is, or even has been in our lifetimes, "unfettered". Unions have been, the general public has been- but the bulk of government regulations applies to business, and capitalism.

    I was once in a meeting with some county officials in Florida regarding bringing a business there, and found the list of controls frightening. I made a statement that "If you make enough rules like these- absolutely nothing will happen here". One of their field supervisors spoke up and said "You got that right". County commissioners brushed that off and continued trying to justify the excessive regulations and expense fees. "Fettered" if you will. There must be a balance, and an understanding that promoting regulations also stifles growth. I said thanks, but no thank you to them and went elsewhere. People who hate for businesses to make money don't deserve a share of it. Capitalism is the golden goose of our economy. Try to have it for dinner, and there will be no more golden eggs....
     
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    And I knew someone who knows someone who....
    Let’s talk seriously. Look up “ unfettered .”
     
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    Sure you don’t. You want to leave well enough alone, without realizing we practice SOCIALISM already.
    The word Social isn’t put into Social Security to fool anyone.....though it seems to have fooled those without access to a dictionary. .
     
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    Why don’t you address “ crank” and not me. It was he and not I who lauded over unfettered capitalism. It’s a rediculius concept in today’s world.
     
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    Now you just started making up stuff. Unions are tightly regulated.
    “Private sector unions are regulated by the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA), passed in 1935 and amended since then.”
     
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    That's my point. Philosophy et al should be taught comparatively ONLY, in the same way religion is now taught. Any transgression should be dealt with via the same legal mechanisms that apply to teaching religious bias.

    The problem is that many public school teachers are going well beyond the legal limit. I have three kids very recently in public high school, and unless you're in the same position to observe - you would not believe just how much transgressing is going on. It's quite horrendous - as bad as it was 60 years ago, when kids were told that Jesus is the Way. I'm hoping someone makes a case against the system in a high enough court to send a clear message that indoctrination will not be tolerated on the taxpayer's dime.
     
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    It is in the political sense. It means there is no fascism or communism attempting to control all enterprise, and that the private individual is still free to engage in commerce to any degree they see fit to do so.
     
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    "Regulated" means that there are rules- not that they are fair or enforced. It would seem fair to give businesses the same latitude unions have. That means they have to have a valid reason to quit. That if you refuse to work for a company, they can contact other companies and lock you out of working for anybody. They can picket your house..... block deliveries, stuff like that....

    Yep. That sounds unfettered to me.... equally good for the goose and the gander.

    Not trying to start a fight here, just observing a fact.
     
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    I just started a corporation Jan. 1. At the bank I've been with for 36 years, I opened a new account for it. More rules came into effect jan 1. Took over two hours and 40 pages of documents to open an account.My banker was apologizing. Then their "Treasury" people (there no to assure compliance with new rules) contacted me, and we went through a second stage, and another 20 pages. Had to prove my identity something like a dozen times. Then, we got to the state papers..... Unfettered? Like a nightmare.
     
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    That may sound like “ unfettered “ to you, but you’d be wrong.
    Unions in the private sector are not “unfettered.”
    . Neither are corporations. As soon as any business ” becomes a corporation “ they are bound by corporate laws. That doesn’t sound “ unfettered ‘ either, of course, I know what “Unfettered” means. It does not allow for ‘some regulation. ‘
     
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    Exactly....welcome to the corporate world. But with those regulations, you also experience some distinct advantages, especially when it comes to liability protection over entities that aren’t corporations.
     
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    I'm not new to this.This is the eight business I've formed over 50 years- and the worst load of red tape ever.

    How much experience backs your opinion?

    I mean, experts are everywhere, surely you have some....
     
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    . I’m not going to brag about any experience I ever had. It’s irrelevant. Anyone can make any claims on the internet , me included. My response, warts and all, speaks for itself. Are you implying you have no advantages by incorporating ? Of course there are. Liability protection is a big one. Why brag about experience when it’s more authoritative just to give a ligit reference.
    https://companiesinc.com/start-a-business/liability-protection/
     
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    The point is that free enterprise regulations are not only rapidly increasing, they are arbitrary and serving no real purpose except empowering government. Liability protection varies with what people do- I've never been sued on a liability action in my life. IF you have a business with significant liability issues- you will have a hell of a time even finding insurance. Yes, anyone can make claims. Those whose experience comes from listening to some talking head just lack credibility.... so I asked. Think you answered clearly enough.
     
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    Yet you were still able to do it. I recently made a property purchase and found new laws pertaining to identity a PITA, but it didn't prevent my purchase.

    What we're talking about is the difference between 'PITA paperwork', and Govt control of industry/property.
     
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    You should read the links. One is the empirical evidence based on historical fact. Facts of history are not right wing. Ironically, you post unsupported assumptions. Why am I not surprised?

    I read your article on young men last time you posted it. It’s interesting but doesn’t ask the all important question of what these guys are eating.

    Bottom line. It’s a fact that as we spend more as a percentage of GDP, economic growth rate declines. You claim more spending results in more growth. Where is the growth you say exists? We are spending more, where is the increased growth? If you don’t think increased spending and growth rate decline have any causal relationship, what makes you think increased spending and increased growth rate do when the increased growth rate doesn’t exist and in fact the opposite exists?
     
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    Smart, simple and effective regulations cost far less to enforce than the damage created by misbehaving corporations.
     
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    You still don't know the difference between correlation and causation.
     
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    Yes I do. In this case both exist. You seem to live in a strange land of unicorns and rainbows where causation never exists. :) I see the blisters on your hands from digging yourself into a hole on derivatives etc. have healed enough today to respond to my posts again. You are a glutton for punishment. :)
     
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    foreign aid is mainly money except American foreign aid which is mainly military. Kind of a disgrace really. And actually much of it his payments to Egypt and Israel for the Camp David Accords. anyway it is less than 1% of GDP by far the lowest of any rich country.
     
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    You can't teach history without looking at religion. That said, in teaching history I was scrupulously neutral when looking at different faiths. I often asked students what they thought I believed, and I was quite happy to see they were confused.
     

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