Woman punches man in Broadway bar over MAGA-style birthday hat

If someone takes a swing at me, then it becomes self defense, which overrides all else.

So, you want the freedom to be as mean and evil and nasty to a group of people as you want, without facing any repercussions for those actions, unless there is physical violence involved, correct?

And you expect that line of thinking to de-escalate the political climate and reduce hate?

If you cannot consider the feelings of others in your actions, you will never reduce the hate.

 

Then roll the dice and take your chances.

I have family to look after, and I can't do that if I am dead.

So you better believe in public, I take steps to not draw attention to myself.

 

So the Hat attacked her and she was defending herself?
The Hate was "mean and evil and nasty" to her but she is a group of people now?

Do you always ask random questions for no reason? Will you ever stop kicking puppies? Do you get off on it? Have you spoken to anyone about it? Do you prefer Mars or Saturn??? I MUST KNOW!

 

Yeah I don't think so - here is an alternative hypothesis.

If 1 out of every, say 10000 people, can't keep their civility when presented with a supporter of a president they find despicable, it stands to reason that there'd be more opportunities for conflict since there are many more people who find our current president despicable. The reason you didn't have so much violence back in Obama's day is because there were so many fewer people who despised him.

The truth, of course, would be difficult to find and frankly irrelevant to the OP.

People should be able to hold an unpopular opinion w/out having to worry about being thumped on.

 

feel free to document right leaning people punching someone wearing a bernie t-shirt minding their own business.
or even better something that is similar to a bernie t-shirt.

fwiw, if you do find something, If I was bored enough I could document multiple examples of anti red hat violence, so in reality that changes nothing.

Most importantly I have no problems saying that the extreme nutjobs on both sides should be dealt with harshly and swiftly.

Physical violence is wrong, and I hope that the crazy woman is charged to the fullest extent.

Is there really a counter argument here?

 

A Person could walk around Hicksville Alabama with Bernie gear no problem

Try walking around Portland for example with MAGA.. ( Heck a resident poster here brags about it all the time)

 

I know you are being facetious here, but a few things to consider here:

1. It's not JUST a red hat with white lettering. It's a hat that shows you support if Trump. Some people may not like that, and if their belief is strong enough, they may react.

2. What the woman did was wrong, I have already admitted that. However, my admission doesn't make that punch the guy took go away. You can't legally force people to feel a certain way or believe a certain thing, sorry.

3. Your joke aside, there may be people impassioned enough to react with violence when they see that cap. Now me, I want to live, so to reduce that chance to get blown away, I would leave my hat at home. I can't force people to feel or believe what I want. So, what would you do instead?

 

I get it. You don't care about anyone else's feelings or well being except you and yours.

See you at the voting booth, our discussion is over.

 

Do you think the woman of topic cared about the mans feelings when she attacked him?

Ah yes post after post of trying to make it personal and now you take the ahem moral high ground by trying to leave in a huff.. Typical..

If you must leave ( so sad i tell you) try to have a nice day.. Just dont attack random people for wearing a hat

 

I agree the woman should be charged. If you believe in something strongly enough to break the law, you should be willing to do the time.

My point Is that we ALL should be considering how our actions and choices affect others when we are in public, and try not to make waves.

It is a minority opinion, apparently.

 

As I said, its well documented, even if there are extreme examples on both sides, the examples of leftist hatred and overreaction vastly outnumbers any other examples.

I still think my idea of adding the jewish star on the cap is the solution, instant hate crime, no walking away from that.

 

so again, no political apparel of any kind is your suggestion, for ANY candidate because you might get punched, that doesn't work for me, but I do see your point. What if you are wearing a houston astro's hat? (or the nazi padres hat lol) should you be prepared to face the consequences? What about nike?

I'm not prepared for a logo free world just to avoid random's punching me.

I personally don't wear any political crap, its just not my cup of tea.

My plumber wears a maga hat, he was at my house last week, I couldn't have cared less if it was that, or a bernie bro hat, who cares as long as he does a good job at fair prices. My candidate came in 3rd place in 2016

Honestly, I feel bad for the dude, but one thing is for certain, if he was even remotely considering a dem candidate for potus or on the down ticket, he most certainly isn't going to now, this lady just converted him to the GOP, probably permanently, and his story will recruit more gop voters as well, so I wish to thank him for taking one for the team.

 

I once sat on a tarmac in Perth, waiting for the weather to pass by; there was an Australian couple seating in front of me passing the time, making fun of unattractive United stewardess and everything American in general, while I was thinking to myself - you sons-a-bitches, flying American-made jet, reading American-made books, watching American-made movies and undoubtedly going to America to buy American-made goods and see America!

Why do you remind me of that couple?

 

Another shameless display of TDS induced violence, at this point i wonder why trump would even bother to run a campaign, these nutjobs make the case for him!

 

How is wearing a hat supporting the President of our country or in this case the appearance of one provoking violence?

If a hat causes one to get violent they need meds, professional help or a special padded room...

 

I don't know what side you think I'm on, but MY side doesn't want to silence you or anyone else. MY side may disagree with what you have to say but MY side will defend your right to say it.

You wanna know why?

Because MY side respects YOUR right to express yourself.
Because MY side respects the Constitution that protects YOUR right to express yourself as a matter of law.
Because MY side respects the law that forbids us from attacking you for exercising YOUR right to express yourself.

Because MY side believes YOUR rights don't end where our opinions and feelings begin.

And there's more:

MY side is confident in the fact that we can compete in the arena of ideas.
MY side uses persuasion, not violence, to promote and defend our ideas.

Bullshit.

Do you have any maturity, self-control and respect for the law or not? Either you do or you don't.

If you take a swing at someone it's your own damned fault that you have no self-control. You're not a victim.

You have no moral or legal right whatsoever to attack anyone for exercising their fundamental human, civil and political right to express themselves. Whether the content of someone's speech is moral or not is irrelevant to that fact. You have a right to consider the content of that speech immoral and you have the right to lawfully express your opinion that the content of that speech is immoral but that's it.

Of course, that is entirely separate from the fact that you have a legal, moral and natural right to physically defend yourself against someone who is physically attacking you.

Fine words, but talk is cheap. You're not on OUR side if you respond to words with violence.

Permit me to remind you that you're not doing yourself or your cause any favors when you resort to violence. Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Jr. and John Paul II understood that and so should you.[/QUOTE]

 

quick correction to your comments.

If a hat causes one to get violent they need meds, professional help o̶r̶ and a special padded room. In that order.

 

How is anyone wearing a MAGA hat FORCING people to feel or believe a certain way?

So I guess people wearing hats that support a certain sports team are trying to FORCE their beliefs onto people...

 

I react too ... at the ballot box. Have you ever heard of it?

"Force"? It is called "LAW". If you shoot your wife for bouncing your neighbour on the bedsprings you have committed a crime.

So, Jews shouldn't wear a kippah on Shabbat because of anti-Semites or Neo-Nazis. Christians shouldn't wear a cross because of fundamentalist Muslims.

"Feel"? Is that what the guy was doing with his birthday cap ... trying to make someone "feel" something? That's a snowflake's argument. Wake up, bub.

 

Ohhhhhh wow you certainly put me in my place, I am eagerly awaiting your next profound statement....

 

Yep. I go naked nowadays because I don't want anyone to feel "forced" into buying the same brand of clothing as I wear. You know, a Levi Strauss fanatic might pull out his gun and blow me away if he gets sight of my Wranglers.

 

Huh?

I am sure that you have hundreds of links to back up that unfounded "claim"?

 

But then you're a nudist and forcing your nudist beliefs on people. Proceed with caution...Lol

 

Ditto - and it gives Trumpeters the drizzles...

 

You should try actually reading it sometime...

First Amendment

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

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