Bre Kidman for Maine uses guillotine as her campaign symbol....

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  1. jay runner

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    The cross for Christians is the symbol of the sacrificial suffering, death, and resurrection of Christ, and actually all of the things done by Christ when he voluntarily entered Jerusalem for the last time.

    Prior to Christ, and after that in the Roman Empire, until crucifixion was outlawed in the early 300's, the cross was the wood execution instrument of death for criminals in the Roman Empire. A Roman Citizen could not be executed on the wood, and generally received beheading instead. The cross was considered the greatest shame, dishonor, and insult a human person could be given, the summum supplicium, a name given by Cicero.

    Outside the Esquiline gate in Rome was a field used for crucifixion. The condemned remained on the wood with the birds picking them apart while they lived and after they died, until just prior to the sinews rotting. Then the carcasses were taken down, chained together, drug to the Tiber, and thrown in. Then more live criminals were put on the empty wood to replace them. It was a display of absolute power. You really did not want to step out of line or insult the emperor. Or if you wanted to the price was very high.
     
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    Good job bro, you are certainly on point whereas the other is just talking trash ;)
     
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    I'm think maybe Natty is doing a little religious trolling this fine Sunday morning :) I think it might even qualify as derailing too ;)
     
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    You clearly didn't even read your link LMFAO
     
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    We've come a long way since crucifixion.:)
     
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    The cross was a device for execution that has become a feature of Christian iconography.

    The guillotine was a device for execution that a politician is now employing as a campaign symbol, according to the thread's topic.

    I'm not sure why you seem upset by those irrefutable facts.
     
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    Not according to your own link :) Now go read it and learn from your own source YOU provided LMFAO ;)

    And besides the OP is about a guillotine and not the crucifix, you're just derailing the thread using religion and a religious symbol ;)
     
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    Crosses and guillotines have their respective histories as devices of execution. The History of the Guillotine

    That one has been adopted as a religion's primary symbol and the other, now, by a politician for a campaign is coincidental. For some, the noose has also has symbolic significance.
     
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    Execution devices being adopted as symbols is a curious phenomenon. Try not to be upset by its being noted.
     
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    Look man, go review your post on the first page! You inject religion in to every one of them, far more then you are discussing anything else that pertains to the OP.. You want to send this nonsense upstairs, well we can certainly do it at this point.. And you have certainly made that point in all your posts to this thread..

    Fine!
     
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    You seem upset because I made reference to another instance of an execution device having been adopted as a symbol. The fact that it was a religion that did so is of no particular significance. If it had been some other institution, e.g., a bank, the same phenomenon would pertain.
     
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    Makes sense, e.g., First Caligula Bank with hewn crosses before and after the name.
     
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    Actually that would be a symbol of God's willing sacrifice for the saved to pay the price demanded by justice for man's sins.
     
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    Oh I'm not referring to the every day joe schmoe. I'm talking about the leaders. Upper echelons.
     
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    Cross: execution device. Guillotine: execution device.

    Application of both as noted in this thread: symbols.
     
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    But symbols of entirely different things. For Christians the cross isn't a symbol of death but of hope and new life. Madame guillotine on the other hand is a symbol not only of death but of terror.
     
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    Your bigotry is noted.

    Class act.
     
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    The context of both is 180 degrees different. But you're unable to see that.
     
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    She's queer. She has much pent up hatred. Her issues have issues.
     
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    There are other Christian symbols, for instance:

    Ichthys (fish) -- originally taken as an acronym by the earliest Christians for its Greek letters representing basic teaching and identity as Christians.

    (I) iota -- Jesus, first letter of his name in Greek
    (ch) chi -- Christ, first letter of his title in Greek
    (th) theta -- Theou, of God
    (y or u) -- upsilon, first letter of Son in Greek
    (s) sigma -- Savior, first letter of sotera, Savior in Greek

    Agnus Dei -- pictorial symbol of an actual lamb bearing a cross, Lamb of God which taketh away the sins of the world.

    Dove -- the Holy Spirit.
     
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    You need not try to pervert the fact that I noted another undeniable instance of a device for execution that serves as a symbol without any inkling of criticism whatsoever.

    Please refrain from contriving your false imputations.
     
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    You use any possible excuse, no
    matter how tenuous or ridiculous, to disparage Christianity and anything conservative.
     
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    At least she is being honest in regards to her ultimate intentions. Hell, that alone is a breath of fresh air considering how the collective Left usually pretends to the contrary.
     
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    You are contriving some disparagement that I have not expressed.

    Christian theology teaches that Jesus Christ was crucified on a Roman cross as the perfect atoning sacrifice for the sins all of mankind, thus making the crucifix, or cross, one of the central themes and defining symbols of Christianity.

    https://www.learnreligions.com/what-is-roman-crucifixion-700718
     
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    Forgot the other part of the equation that without it the 'symbol' is meaningless . . . rebirth.
     

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