My gun control compromise

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Maccabee, Jan 4, 2020.

  1. Longshot

    Longshot Well-Known Member

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    Can you find any language that would allow congress to enact legislation prohibiting the people of the several sovereign states from possessing arms?
     
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    Levant Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, I really can't. But I can find language that prohibits Congress and the several sovereign states from prohibiting the people from possessing arms.

    I just posted this but I guess you missed it:

     
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    So you can't cite any language that would allow any legislation prohibiting the people of the several sovereign states from possessing firearms. I was pretty sure that you would be unable to do so.
     
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    I think you missed the full context of what I said because it appears that you're defending the right to keep and bear arms. My challenge to "small arms" is because there are those who claim to be gun rights supporters in this thread who have implied that the 2nd Amendment may only protect the right to keep and bear "small arms". My point is that the word "small" appears nowhere in the 2nd Amendment.
     
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    Mine were all stolen tomorrow...
     
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    Regardless of any amendments, congress has no legislative authority to restrict ownership of arms by the people of the several sovereign states.
     
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    Levant Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thank you for the clarification. I get it. You enjoy the privilege of owning some guns as long as the government allows you to.

    Your useful gun laws have nothing to do with the right to keep and bear arms except that minors were permitted to purchase guns until 1968 - almost 200 years. How do you justify the change and what in the Constitution authorizes the change?

    When people say that alcohol and guns don't mix they completely ignore the fact that in the late 18th century, people drank more alcohol than water. Much of the discussion that led to the founding of our nation happened in pubs with guns in one hand and ale or whisky in the other. What doesn't mix is irresponsible behavior and guns. There's a lot of irresponsible behavior that has nothing at all to do with alcohol.

    You think that mandatory background checks are acceptable if they give us short barreled rifles? Seriously? You can already get a suppressor or an SBR. Mandatory background checks absolutely leads to confiscation. On the day that Biden proposes O'Rourke as his gun czar, the very same O'Rourke who has promised "hell yes, we're coming for your guns, you're suggesting that we give him a registry of every gun in the United States?

    I don't give a crap about suppressors or SBRs. Those are fun toys but have nothing to do with my ability to defend myself or my liberty. They're protected by the 2nd Amendment and the laws restricting them are unconstitutional but mandatory universal background checks is a far greater infringement.

    You're far more Fudd than you are Paladin. You'll surrender all of your tools of war as long as they let you have your hunting rifle. I've said it here and in other threads: the gun banners come to the table with nothing. The place to get our rights back is not at the negotiating table; it's at the court house and the ballot box.

    Negotiating gets us nothing. At best, as you are proposing, it simply swaps one set of infringements for a different set.
     
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    congress has no legislative authority to NOT allow gun ownership.
     
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    Levant Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What am I missing? Or what are you missing?

    What you said is correct. But because of the 2nd Amendment, the states also have no authority to restrict ownership of arms.

    Seems to me that we're violently agreeing. If you're looking for an argument you'll have to look elsewhere.
     
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    Great. We agree. Regardless of the 2nd amendment, congress has no legislative authority to restrict ownership of arms by the people of the several sovereign states.
     
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    So no regulations whatsoever are constitutional... except the govt can tell you how long the barrel has to be and how loud the report has to be.

    You also seem to have completely ignored my focus on sunset provisions.

    I will support absolutely zero further gun laws without sunset provisions that allow them to be tried and analyzed prior to permanant implimentation.

    Im not trying to take your guns. Im trying to avoid a civil war. You can direct your derision somewhere more deserving.
     
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    Wow. That's a big win for you, huh? What's your point that's so significant that you posted it a dozen times and in multiple threads? It's a moot point since the 2nd Amendment is an explicit restriction. On the other hand, as I demonstrated, the 2nd Amendment is not moot. So I just don't get why you felt that was worth repeating a dozen times.
     
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    I didn't say that telling how long a barrel is is a constitutional restriction. But if you think barrel length is more important than avoiding gun registration you're sadly mistaken.

    If you can tell me where the Constitution, as amended, including the 2nd Amendment, says it's ok to infringe on the right to keep and bear arms as long as you apply a susnet provision first and try and analyze the results before making a permanent infringement, then I'll concede to your argument.

    Until then, you do support new gun laws; you just have silly provisions before they become permanent. You're a gun controller as much as is Mike Bloomberg and all the rest.
     
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    I never said I would support them becoming permanant. Why are you so prone to baseless assumption?
     
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    With as polarizes as America is today, Civil War is inevitable. It's just a matter of when.

    I'm just glad I'll be on the side that has the most guns/ammunition and know which restroom to use.
     
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    No it isn't. Not so long as enough Americans are interested in preventing it.

    We'll be on the same side, btw. I hope your tactics on the battlefield are more flexible than your tactics on the political field..
     
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    I hope your dedication to the Constitution and liberties as defined in the Declaration of Independence are more solid than your posts here.
     
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    So tell me how I can get a nuke, I don't see them for sale at Cabela's.
     
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    That would be one of the barriers.
     
  20. Longshot

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    Not really. Just pointing out that there is no legislative authority for congress to enact any law restricting what arms the people of the several sovereign states may possess.
    Repetition is the mother of pedagogy.
     
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    Not really. When I see your posts all I think of is the repetitiveness, not so much what it is that you're repeating.
     
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    Ahh screw it
    I changed my mind

    I now fully support all AR-15

    I am a smart man and I investigate Into it
     
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    Please forgive Me
     
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    Well good. Any kind of weapon the government can use against me, I as a common citizen should have access to as well.
     
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    Nah what you want you is a Super Cobra...

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    Get you a nice 9/11 paint job on it like the last one, now that is being well armed :)
     

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