Climate Change: You can deny, but you can't hide.

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Given the overwhelming consensus worldwide of scientific bodies, government, academia, the corporate sector, transportation and agricultural interests, the military, investment institutions, etc., etc., etc., the remnant of ideologues who cannot accept the reality of anthropogenic climate change will just have to be consigned to the dustbin of intransigent incorrigibility.

    Their mewling is a dissonant paean to irrelevancy.
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your assumption is not correct.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The "bodies" is not the individual scientists.

    Man affects the weather. Man's effect is most likely warming.

    The issues are "how much", "what can be done about it" and "the ability to predict it". On those three issues, there is no "overwhelming consensus".
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    On a side note the IPCC political AR’s are issued first and the the supporting “scientific” papers are changed as needed to support the politicization agreed upon by the various government representatives.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Quite candidly, your hyper-partisan, feeble fist shaking at the inclusive alliance of global interests confronting the imminent crisis is a singularly ineffectual gesture.

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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why do you mix measurements ?? You have a graph with ice core and atmospheric measurements. That’s a scientific no - no.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Notice the selective vertical axis.
     
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    mitchscove Well-Known Member Donor

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    CO2 concentrations do increase after a volcano erupts. Bet there was some SO2 as well.
     
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    mitchscove Well-Known Member Donor

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    Progressive fascists have a monopoly on outrage. I'm just a unemotional but keen observer. You're gonna wear yourself out shaking your fist.
     
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    In what way is it not correct?

    http://www.opr.ca.gov/facts/list-of-scientific-organizations.html
     
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    “Progressive fascists” lols!! Who are they because I know of no-one fitting that description
     
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    Why?

    Explain why they do not correlate please
     
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    Oh! Rubbish!

    The quoted papers are linked onto the reports and there are have been tens of thousands of citations over the years that the IPCC has been producing reports - and according to you not one scientist has noticed that thier research findings have been altered and objected

    More importantly why has not the denialosphere, which is large, active and well funded, not found examples of this happening?
     
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    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    Hmmmmm

    Someone else who has not read the IPCC reports
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Show me the 97% individual scientist consensus.
     
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    In a way you're right. "Fascist" is the European left wing authoritarian, Nazi being a certain flavor of Fascist. Woodrow Wilson, the patron saint of Progressivism, taught European fascists the ins and out of authoritarian rule.

    How else would you describe the pack of authoritarians running for Democrat nominee who want to confiscate our bank accounts, homes, guns, thinking they have the authority to dictate how much people are allowed to earn or save? Yes, the people who call themselves "Progressive" and are anything but forward thinking.

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    Can you link to where anyone has stated they will do that please?

    And if it is that bad will you leave America if these people are elected?
     
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    Have you read the reports?

    BTW nice try at trying to change the subject
     
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    Have you found where individual scientists were polled on their opinions on AGW?
     
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    As figments of your imagination. As bogeymen that your masters told you stories of in order to frighten you into abject obedience.

    Save your historical revisionism for those dumb enough to fall for it. Fascism is right wing, and pretending that it's left wing instantly marks the speaker as either supremely gullible or deliberately dishonest.
     
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    Facts are facts.

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    Compare the number of variables required to land that spacecraft with the number of variables required to accurately predict the climate decades in advance. There are variables required to predict the climate decades in advance which have not yet been identified.

    We routinely land aircraft on a surface which is moving faster than that thousands of times per day.
     
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    I've examined all your links, and found them to be the same old fraudulent conspiracy babbling. Boring.

    For exactly the same reason we know flat-earthers are pushing fraud, we know you're pushing fraud -- because all of the hard data says so. You can't fool intelligent and well-informed people.

    Oh, Spencer and UAH are considered to be jokes. UAH shows a wild error in the cooling direction. We know this because every single other measurement contradicts it.

    And yet you rely enitrely on UAH. That's a very bad cherrypicking fallacy on your part. Honest brokers look at _all_ the data. Pseudoscience devotees throw out any data they don't like. You're doing that, which marks you as a pseudoscience devotee.

    If you use any of the good temperature records, you'll find warming of around 0.19C for the past two decades, compared to predictions of 0.20C /decade. So, the models have been pretty stellar.

    That's idiot logic on your part, as it assumes only Trump controls emissions, and it makes the false claim that the USA is leading the world. With poor logic skills like that, it's no wonder you're a denier. You just have no mental defenses against the propaganda you get fed.

    As one of my ongoing points is how deniers have been terrified into abject submission through propaganda stories about the various bogeymen they should be wetting themselves over, I thank you for supporting that point so well.
     
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    Mathturbation fallacy. Curve fitting is not science. Any competent scientist knows that curve fitting just leads to embarrassment. Just about any data set has some sort of frequency in the short term. But look at it in the long term, and it's not there. We know your 60-year cycle theory is BS because there's no 60-year cycle in the long term data.

    There's no hiatus. There's been strong warming the whole time.

    We don't. You're attacking a strawman, because you can't debate what we actually say.

    They are operating. And they're all pushing us towards cooling.That's one reason we know it's humans who are making the world warm. And you're rejecting all of those natural factors. So, by your own standards, you're pushing garbage. You're falling back on "We can't be certain that some unknown fairy magic is the real cause, so we have to assume fairy magic is the real cause!".

    That's not how science works. You can't just wave you hands around wildly and demand everyone absolutely disprove your unfalsifiable fairy magic theories. It's up to you to demonstrate that your fairy magic is real, otherwise you'll be laughed at.
     

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