Professor Raoult Releases Results of New Hydroxychloroquine Treatment Study on 1061 Patients

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    I don’t need anyone to do my research. I need people to back up unsubstantiated claims.
     
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    Back it up. Billions of doses, 5 million prescriptions a year in the US alone, and no outcry because people are going blind except from you... Back it up or you're not being honest. You're making it up.
     
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    Name one and the study or field trials or field experience or any other reasonable supporting documentation to back up your claim.

    You're not being honest. You can't back up what you're claiming.
     
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    The Drs are the ones promoting please stop like this was made up out of thin air. It came from a study in which more studies/trials are being performed. Stop poisonings the water with partisan politics.
     
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    Seriously? Worse than death?
     
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    Yes, if you were sick enough to need treatment you would take the drugs. Most don't need drug treatment and no one is suggesting that the drugs be taken as a preventative measure. When taken by those in need of them the drugs Trump recommended had a 91% success rate in the latest study, which is cited on this site. If you don't like Trump and don't want to take the drugs proven effective for treatment then you can die for your principles I guess. But that is just plain stupid.
     
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    Please provide a link to a single study you have completed.

    Your livelihood as an ER nurse does not at all rest on reading medical research. You're not allowed to make the medical decisions, remember? You follow the orders of doctors - the real experts.
     
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    n/m
     
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    Crickets on both questions.
     
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    And please believe Internet nurses over actual doctors practicing actual medicine treating actual patients.. That's what you're asking of us.
     
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    You said no countries were doing it. That was a false statement and, of course you had to, you submitted that statement with zero supporting evidence. It's proof you're making it up. It's proof that anything you say should be considered unreliable unless and until you provide supporting, reliable, legitimate, documenting links. You're clearly not to be trusted to be honest in your posts.
     
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    Trump has got nothing to do with it. I could not give a toss on what Trump said or did not say. Those in the study were not all "sick enough to need treatment", they just tested positive and most people who test positive have mild symptoms. 91% success rate in people with mean age of 43.7 years old is no different to the success rate of people with mean age of 43.7 years old who did not take the drug.

    Edit: And people here are saying to take the drug even if you are not sick enough to need it
     
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    Oh cry me a river on trivia!
     
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    So you are asserting that sick people who can't breathe should not be given treatment by a drug cocktail that has proven to have a 91% success rate because according to you it does not work and they would die anyway. Thats just brilliant. Please tell us more.
     
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    Says he who blames Trump for the CV-19 pandemic.
     
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    WTF. This has nothing to do with the study! No one in the study were at death doors when the drugs were given. If they can't breathe then it's already too late as pneumonia has already set in
     
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    "with a mortality rate of 0.5%"

    what is the morality rate without?

    the science is showing there is some promise if you add zinc to the mix, the scientists will figure it out, no one is paying attention to Trump trying to steal credit for others work - without zinc it does nothing, so anyone that listened to trump wasted the medicine and got no help - that is why we let science figure it out
     
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    You've heard about this for over a freaking month came out of a small study in France. You've been railing on it since you heard Trump mention t, now you cliam you didn't listen to Trump lol.
     
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    Hardly. Whilst we don't have the trial report just yet. It's being reviewed. I suspect the patients were picked out of the larger available to isolate in significant numbers some of the comorbidities raising concern.

    Yes it trends young if mortality was the focus, but it was viral clearance then clinical outcome looked at. I feel, but won't know until release, that comorbidity was isolated. Take hypertension. A solid number included, and also within that a group taking ACE ARB blood pressure meds that have raised questions.

    The trial increased the data available about viral clearance and the drug at study among a few other co-occuring concerns.

    We'll see the methods and focus explained soon enough.
     
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    Thousands have recovered without it.
    Thousands have not tried it.
     
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    They should stop arguing against treatments they know nothing about and stop making fake medical recommendations, for or against, unless they're MDs or others licensed to actually practice medicine and have knowledge of the specific patient about which they're making recommendations..
     
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    The ratio of those who die is far higher in those who have not used the drug hydroxychloroquine. There's not enough in that statement to prove that the drug was the differentiator but there's enough there to keep internet wannabee doctors or politicians from telling real doctors what they can and cannot prescribe for purely political reasons.
     
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    If it worked as advertised the fall in death rate would be obvious.

    https://www.courant.com/coronavirus...0200407-kaowz2xlrzcvxl5w4uwf6xs7wy-story.html

    April deaths
    12 - 60
    11 - 46
    10 - 68
    9 - 13
    8 - 71

    7 - N/A
    6 - 17
    5 - 34

    It isn't obvious.
     
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    You can't know that because there was no control group.
     
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    Really? No input data on number of cases; no data on the number who got the medication; no information on dosage; no information on the condition or circumstances of treatment or of death; no data on which hospital, training, personnel, etc.

    It takes a lot more than just the count of bodies.
     

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