Trump's crazy designation of Antifa as terrorist organization

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Should Antifa be designated a terrorist organization

  1. Yes - the blood of many innocents is on the hands of ANTIFA

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  2. No - I can't recall too many deaths of innocents by ANTIFA

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  1. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

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    Life is better with state laws rather than federal laws. If you don't like a certain state's laws you can move to another. No option like that with federal laws.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course they can .. and do all the time .. and rarely get charged. That is one of the main reasons for the protests ... Duh
     
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    I proved your OP was nothing but hot air and just another TDS thread. I did so by showing you and everyone else that Trump followed official US law when he declared ANTIFA a terrorist organization. My work here is done.:)
     
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    This thread is about labeling antifa as a terrorist group.

    Since the Trump administration has claimed antifa are responsible for the riots with no evidence, it appears that he is seizing an opportunity to oppress those he views as undesirable.

    Nationwide protests don’t break out over a single death. There is a history of police brutality that is not being addressed. Convicting a single murderer does not change the negligence and indifference so many police departments have for the lives and civil rights of the citizens they are sworn to protect.
     
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    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    Who is considered a terrorist is in the eyes of the beholder. I'm quite sure that Britain did indeed consider The Boston Tea Party as terrorists. We don't because that is (in many peoples eyes) the beginning of our revolution and separation between our countries.

    Here's my view of a terrorist. It is anyone that conducts violence for political purposes with a foundation of identatarianism. And if you look at it that is what separates The Boston Tea Party vs a group like Antifa or ISIS. The Boston Tea Party wasn't about identity. It was about taxation without representation. If Britain had let the colonies have a voice then there might very well never have been a Boston Tea Party or revolution. Antifa on the other hand is all about identity. Anarchy, socialism, race...all of it is what Antifa is about. (ironic since two of those are not compatible) And all of it divides and is anti-thetical to what America is about today. Simplified: One was about staying unified under a core principle, the other is about division.

    KKK: Identity based
    Antifa: Identity based
    ISIS: Identity based

    Most terrorist groups of today are about identity at their core. And all that they do is cause division and destruction.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    1) you did not prove anything other than your lack of understanding.
    2) You did not show that Trump followed US Law - all you did was post a legal definition of terrorism - you did not show how Antifa meets that definition.

    It is you who is full of hot air .. so quit projecting.
     
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    Antifa are terrorists. They use violence and intimidation in order to achieve political goals. That is the very definition of being a terrorist group.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course there are similarities .. there numerous similarities between totalitarianism here in the US - and NAZI Germany - This does not make us NAZI Germany.

    Folks are out there claiming Antifa is on par with Al Qaeda or the bombing of Dresden in WW2. This is abject nonsnese.

    Various "Legal definitions" have been trotted out - Antifa meets the bar in some - and not in others.

    The point of the OP - is that the label "Terrorist" has become relatively meaningless .. branding "Antifa" a terrorist organization is proof of claim.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is one definition - there are numerous others. Some claim that Antifa is on the same level as Al Qaeda - a claim that is abject nonsense.

    The point of the OP is that the label terrorist is rendered near void of meaning by such claims.

    If Antifa are terrorists .. What does that make the Pentagon .. who is 100 times worse.
     
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    Nationwide protests can break out for various reasons. Even soccer games have caused nationwide protests and even riots in some areas of the world.

    As for police brutality, there are literally over a million interactions between police and people every single day. The VAST majority of which end up with peaceful resolutions. There is no pandemic. There is no mass problem. Note the keyword there before you attempt to twist what I said. "MASS" problem. That does not mean that there is NO problem. It just means that it is not near as huge as these protestors and the media would like you to believe. The amount of police brutality the likes of what happened to Floyd is actually a rare occurrence. And most of the police interactions that do end up in some type of violence is less than 1 percent of all police interactions. Depending on the site you go to deaths at the hands of police amounted to less than 1200 people in 2019. The amount of unjustified deaths by police (like Floyd) are far smaller.
     
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    It should not be surprising that a fascist like Trump would consider an anti-fascist group a bunch of terrorists.
     
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    WUT??!?

    The definition of a terrorist is whether they belong to ISIS or Al Qaeda? When did this become the definition? I haven't seen any dictionary include this requirement.

    Otherwise, calling people who use violence and intimidation to effect political goals common criminals, is the mistake. They are no more common criminals than is ISIS or Al Qaeda. The only difference is in degree of violence.
     
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    Look up the dictionary definition, rather than deflecting.
     
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    Nazi Germany was about identity (white superiority). Al Qaeda is about identity (Islam). The bombing of Dresden was against Germany, who caused a world war based on...you guessed it...identity.

    As for proof of claim? Hardly. They are violent. Cause destruction. And all for political purposes. They most certainly fit the terrorist label and deserve it.
     
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    wow...this has totally been refuted the Pentagon
    yep it’s not about protesters or trump. It’s about to is terrorist group taking advantage of th is tragic death
     
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    If they do they aren’t protected from prosecution with that doctrine. So not sure why anyone has an issue with It
     
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    Pretending you can understand it is kind of moronic defense go for it.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who is deflecting .. WTF are you talking about

    Dictionary definition ? XXX - Wrong answer - clearly you don't know the purpose of a dictionary.

    There are a number of "Legal" Definitions that have been posted.

    Next
     
  19. struth

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    You didn’t make the theory up and you apparently don’t understand it.

    I have I know what it is...I said what it was a few post back. I am now asking you to explain how it applies to trump labeling terrorist...terrorist
     
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    I get that - and responded in the previous post to this. Antifa fits some definitions of terrorism - and does not fit others.

    By your definition .. the Pentagon is a massive terrorist organization.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Certainly not by you :) The Pentagon is a huge supporter of terrorism and you - are out of your depth.
     
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    What you posted is not what Social Darwinism is - quit pretending.
     
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    Why did you mention the Pentagon, if not to deflect?

    I don't know if these people are legitimate, but their definition personifies the Antifa-terrorists.

    "According to 6 USCS § 101, the term terrorism is "any activity that--

    (A) involves an act that--

    (i) is dangerous to human life or potentially destructive of critical infrastructure or key resources; and

    (ii) is a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State or other subdivision of the United States; and

    (B) appears to be intended--

    (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;

    (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or

    (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping."


    https://definitions.uslegal.com/t/terrorism/
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Read the Fking OP - which is about how the label "Terrorist" has been rendered meaningless.

    How can you show this - without referring to other "terrorist" groups ?
     
  25. struth

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    That certainly is.

    I am you once again to explain yourself
     

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