Another Black man dies while being restrained by police

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  1. Labouroflove

    Labouroflove Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No metabolites. No circulation.
     
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    HOLY **** CAN YOU READ?

    We're not talking about that incident. I'm talking about data.

    Get a clue about the conversation before jumping in and making up a wildly inaccurate comment.

    Your post should be deleted, it won't of course, but it should. It's a blatant personal attack that is 100% false (I did not excuse murder...not ever).

    Will you have the integrity to address your comment?....nope, lefties place agenda above all else.
     
  3. Jacob E Mack

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  4. mudman

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    Of course they couldn't prove murder. When you are attacked, defending yourself isn't murder.

    I don't recall seeing a situation so blatantly obvious where the other side sticks to their guns (saying it was murder) regardless of all evidence pointing to the contrary
     
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  7. Jacob E Mack

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    We will never know for sure, but:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...witter-rant-refers-Obama-Ignorant-Baboon.html

    Changes in the account:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-florida-shooting-idUSBRE95Q0EE20130629
     
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    Failed culture...yes, failed. What do all of these cop killing have in common? They were tweaking on drugs with a heart conditions, and they both resisted arrest. Let me repeat that....resisted arrest. Assaulted the police officers. It is not the police officers job to be assaulted, and any human being has the RIGHT to defend themselves from assault. In the Floyd death, I have yet to see the video of him resisting (which he did) and for some reason that part is missing. We don't know the whole story. The black communities need to start teaching their children to stop resisting arrest, live to fight another day in a court room.....
     
  9. Jacob E Mack

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    Oh, you were there and saw Floyd resisting arrest? He was was being violent?
     
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    But there is also something close to 10x as many whites as blacks
     
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    so your saying some Americans do not have the right to bear arms, do some not have the right to choose a religion or free speech too?

    Since when did rights become privileges?
     
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    Did anyone here read the entire report? He was suffering distress BEFORE the police restrained him. He ATTACKED the police officers. The officers were trying to help the man.

    "Ellis, 33, was walking in the intersection of 96th Street and South Ainsworth Avenue late on March 3, when four officers notice him “struggling,” according to Pierce County Sheriff’s detective Ed Troyer.

    “He was having distress in the intersection, they asked him if he was alright and needed help," Troyer told Q13 News. "He walked up to the Tacoma Police Officers and said, 'I have warrants, I need to talk.' As soon as the police officer got out of the car, he assaulted one of them and slam dunked him into the ground.”

    Ellis was handcuffed and restrained at the scene. He was still breathing when paramedics arrived and was removed from handcuffs while being worked on for about 40 minutes, but was pronounced dead, according to Detective Troyer."
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/black-tacoma-man-manuel-ellis-i-cant-breathe-police

    Why are the police being blamed for his death?
     
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    What percentage of the crime especially violent crime is committed by black people? What percentage of blacks resist arrest versus whites?
     
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    There are no accurate statistics for that. Resisting arrest stats are inflated by law enforcement when they stop blacks for similar crimes as whites, and more often blacks serve longer jail sentences for identical charges. Violent crime stats between races is also skewed. I would love to see robust and independent analysis of crimes committed and resisting arrest between races but what we do know is:

    1.) Blacks are more often stopped and frisked than whites.

    2.) Unarmed blacks are more likely to be hurt or shot by police than whites.

    3.) A black person is more likely to be arrested than a white for an identical crime, why is that? Think marijuana possession even though whites and blacks smoke about the same amount of weed. Hard drugs are just as serious an issue within white circles as well.

    4.) Blacks have more institutional resistance to them moving up the income ladder.
     
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    No, that's what YOU are saying, so you and your strawman have fun while you work it out.
     
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    the war on drugs needs to end.... it's causing a police state
     
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    Yeah.
     
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    well please then, explain what you're saying, why do you think that not all free Americans should have the right to bear arms?
     
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    Well without that you stats are meaningless and you posting pure conjecture and supposition.
     
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    You are mistaken. I shared verifiable stats and research. You simply ignore.
     
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    That is what was reported, but the video is mysteriously missing that event. No one is disputing he resisted arrest.....
     
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    True, when comparing to population percentage. Is that really a fair comparison though? I think more accurate would be to compare to the crime percentages because this is the true indication of number of arrests made. Seeing that in total, black and whites commit roughly the same amount of crimes that generate an arrest, despite the difference in population, this would be a more fair number to compare the death rate to. This to me would indicate that it is roughly proportionate, possibly in favor of whites getting treated worse than blacks by police, at least over the last couple of years, as more whites have been killed and more unarmed whites have been killed the last 2 years in a row with roughly the same crime rates being equal.

    So if the black population of 13 or so percent only committed 13 percent of crime, instead of 50 ish, the numbers of Killed by police would adjust accordingly.

    By no means am I excusing the police. I think they need better training and/or higher standards to join, etc. I do believe in officer safety first, always but there have been too many instances where black and white and any other race, have died when they did not pose a threat.
     
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    Many people are disputing he resisted arrest. The arrest itself was not even legal but that's a separate issue.
     
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    The problem with this approach is blacks are more likely to be arrested for crimes whites are usually not arrested for, police are more likeky to be aggressive or violent with blacks prematurely, and blacks on average are more afraid of police than whites.

    Additionally, the population % makeup still is a valid measure in research methods.
     
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