Another Black man dies while being restrained by police

But the crime rates committed by each are about equal in terms of numbers. So, that means similar arrest numbers or at least similar numbers of police interactions.

 

The police interactions on average, though are very different.

 

Interesting discussion. I’d have to give that first part more thought and/or more research.

The second part I’d have to disagree as that population percentage Death rate is merely an end result and further detail is needed to understand the why. This is the sticking point. People just look at that and automatically assume police are racist. I don’t agree with that narrative. I say the numbers tell a different story.

 

Let's keep the dialogue open.

 

In related news:

https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/8/21213974/african-americans-covid-19-coronavirus-race-disparities

 

Ask yourself, it's YOUR claim.

 

What matters is how many are committing crimes, that number isn't 10x.

 

Democrats killed another black man, news at 11.

 

Not the point.

 

Interesting history:

https://www.splcenter.org/20180614/biggest-lie-white-supremacist-propaganda-playbook-unraveling-truth-about-‘black-white-crime

More data:

https://www.livescience.com/evidence-police-brutality-reform.html

 

Yea it is. It's what's relevant. % of total population is not relevant for what I was responding to.

 

Again, you are incorrect. I shared a number of specific statistics, research, and data. The huge population difference = way more exposure to probable outcomes.

 

The fact that the gaps are not so far apart despite whites being 80% of the US population also indicates a serious issue in the discrepancy in how police treat each race--far more biased against black people.

This is an interesting site and I am still fact-checking some of its claims, but I have verified about half:

http://copcrisis.com/

 

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0141854


A Multi-Level Bayesian Analysis of Racial Bias in Police Shootings at the County-Level in the United States, 2011–2014


Abstract

"A geographically-resolved, multi-level Bayesian model is used to analyze the data presented in the U.S. Police-Shooting Database (USPSD) in order to investigate the extent of racial bias in the shooting of American civilians by police officers in recent years. In contrast to previous work that relied on the FBI’s Supplemental Homicide Reports that were constructed from self-reported cases of police-involved homicide, this data set is less likely to be biased by police reporting practices. County-specific relative risk outcomes of being shot by police are estimated as a function of the interaction of: 1) whether suspects/civilians were armed or unarmed, and 2) the race/ethnicity of the suspects/civilians. The results provide evidence of a significant bias in the killing of unarmed black Americans relative to unarmed white Americans, in that the probability of being {black, unarmed, and shot by police} is about 3.49 times the probability of being {white, unarmed, and shot by police} on average. Furthermore, the results of multi-level modeling show that there exists significant heterogeneity across counties in the extent of racial bias in police shootings, with some counties showing relative risk ratios of 20 to 1 or more. Finally, analysis of police shooting data as a function of county-level predictors suggests that racial bias in police shootings is most likely to emerge in police departments in larger metropolitan counties with low median incomes and a sizable portion of black residents, especially when there is high financial inequality in that county. There is no relationship between county-level racial bias in police shootings and crime rates (even race-specific crime rates), meaning that the racial bias observed in police shootings in this data set is not explainable as a response to local-level crime rates."

"While other databases on police shootings have been published by the government, for example through the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Report [3], or the CDC’s National Vital Statistics System [4], these records are often censored of critical information (such as the names of the officers involved), lack independent evaluation of the justification for the shooting, and are selectively published. The FBI data, for instance, are not only incomplete, but may be structurally biased by the reporting behaviors of police, as the majority of the 17,000+ police departments in the United States do not file fatal police shooting reports, or do so only selectively [5]. According to Gabrielson et al. [5], Florida departments have failed to file reports since 1997. The data collected thus far by the USPSD help to shed light on racial bias in police shootings in Florida, which has some of the most racially-biased police shooting rates in the nation. In Miami-Dade, for example, unarmed black individuals are estimated to be more than 22 times as likely to be shot by police than unarmed white individuals. Such patterns in police violence have been immune to public scrutiny until now."

The full text is available via the link above.

Some of the statistical techniques used:

Bayesian Modeling
57], and regularizes otherwise undefined posterior predictive risk ratios. Prior to the introduction of multi-level modeling methods, relative risk ratios at local levels were very hard to infer. For example, if no unarmed whites but three unarmed black individuals were killed in a county, the estimated relative risk ratio would be:Eq (1) serves as a template for each of the main probability statements in the model, where a probability unique to the interaction of race/ethnicity (B = black, H = hispanic, and W = white) and arms status (A = armed and U = unarmed) is estimated. Note that superscripts are labels, and do not indicate exponentiation. The subsequent main probability statements run as follows:

(2)(3)(4)(5)

 

Lol...Sure, why not blame the victim and throw in a little partisan spin while you're at it.

It's heartening to see right wing fantasies about 'dominating' anyone who disagrees with their orange dotard bite the dust as more and more people realize that he's trying to turn the US into a military dictatorship.

Thank God for the people who actually love America and respect their duty. They will never allow trump and his criminal gang to destroy it.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/sto...ttis-donald-trump-tom-cotton-insurrection-act

 

That would likely explain why he was waiting around in his car, and was still there when police showed up.

 

Zero evidence for that, but if true, they really should not have put the knee on the neck; ill refrain from posting in this thread the rest of today as I've posted abit excessively.

 

I imagine it could have gone something like: police go up to him, he tries to get the police to ignore him, hoping they will go away, all the while he knows he could be close to having to call an ambulance. Then police inform him that he needs to step out of the car and that they are going to arrest him. He panics and tells them he feels like he could be having a heart attack (which is true). They don't believe him at this point, because that's not what he told them to begin with. But he only declined to tell them that in the first place because he wanted them to go away so he wouldn't get in trouble for being on drugs.
Then he panics all the more because he thinks (and perhaps rightly so) that if he is taken into police custody he might not get adequate medical attention and could die, and so he begins trying to fight them off. Somewhat understandable, but still an overall irrational decision, probably because his mental faculties were impaired by the drugs.

related thread: Urgent medical attention following an arrest

 

Who are you talking about? I'm talking about your OP and Manuel Ellis. And more directed at others trying to say the police are responsible for his death. The police were trying to help the guy who was in so medical distress, most likely a cardiac event. The man walked towards them and the physically attacked to the two officers. They struggled with him and got him cuffed. What else were they supposed to do? What did they do wrong?

 

Says who. The problem is crime is highly disproportionately occuring in the black community. The problem is black males make up a highly disproportionate share criminals and commit a highly disporportionate amount of crime and especially violent crimes. But the fact is policing is not racism nor disproportionately. There is no evidence of all this same level of white crime occurring just the all the white criminals are getting away with. The crimes rates in white communities are low, exetremely low compared to black communities.

 

The Myth of Systemic Police Racism
Hold officers accountable who use excessive force. But there’s no evidence of widespread racial bias.

.......This charge of systemic police bias was wrong during the Obama years and remains so today. However sickening the video of Floyd’s arrest, it isn’t representative of the 375 million annual contacts that police officers have with civilians. A solid body of evidence finds no structural bias in the criminal-justice system with regard to arrests, prosecution or sentencing. Crime and suspect behavior, not race, determine most police actions.



In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population.

The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.......
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883?mod=opinion_lead_pos5

The writer goes on to note the number of blacks killed on a single weekend in Chicago by other blacks. Where is the outrage over that.

And to back up this data she refers to the study done by the National Academy of Science which found
“no significant evidence of antiblack disparity in the likelihood of being fatally shot by police,”

That it has to do with how frequently police encounter violent suspects within racial groups.

She notes how a 2015 Justice Department study of the Philadelphia police force found white officers were less likely to shot an unarmed black suspect than black or hispanic officers.

Then Harvard Economist Roland G. Freye's research again finding no evidence of racial discrimination in shootings and that any evidence to the contrary did not take into account crime rates and civilian behavior before and during interactions with police.

So what are they protesting, what do they want to change? No more police? No more laws? The strongest survive on the weakest?

 

Yes in several of the towns and cities I live in the police were having to be called out to break up street parties and house partes in the black community where the CDC guidlines were being blatantly violated. This was occurring nationwide. So a higher rate was to be expected.

 

your the one that said it, your the only one that knows what you meant... well maybe you don't, so just forget I asked

 

Bull, YOU said it. I'm not you so maybe you and your strawman can figure it out, amongst yourselves.

 

no, you said I misunderstood what you said, so I was asking you to explain what you said... but if you don't know, that is fine, we can move on