BET founder Robert Johnson calls for $14 trillion of reparations for slavery

Typical.

The legacy of slavery is the result of past and current policies and attitudes that has resulted in an entire race being left behind economically and treated as second class citizens. I tried to point that out in simple terms you could understand and ways to help fix that. I get a history lesson that I don't need. Total dodge.

Then you denigrate the intelligence of black youth who probably know a lot more about the legacy of slavery than you.

Lastly, you are back to the old right-wing whitey can't do nothin' 'bout a few racists, those black people need to fix themselves as you ignore the evidence presented.

Did I already say a lack of insight or can't be taken seriously?

Appropriate name choice.

 

I believe they will find the 1938 Nuremberg Laws a helpful guide.

 

First of all the word legacy is being misused by you. There are no laws in the States that authorize or bequeath an individual from one person to another.

In 1699, the number of free blacks prompted fears of a “Negro insurrection.” Virginia Colonial ordered the repatriation of freed blacks back to Africa. Many blacks sold themselves to white masters so they would not have to go to Africa. This was the first effort to gently repatriate free blacks back to Africa. The modern nations of Sierra Leone and Liberia both originated as colonies of repatriated former black slaves.

However, black slave owners continued to thrive in the United States.

In 1830 there were 3,775 black families living in the South who owned black slaves. By 1860 there were about 3,000 slaves owned by black households in the city of New Orleans alone.

Congress voted to abolished the slave trade in 1807 and made it a crime punishable by death in 1820.

Last known slave traders were William Corrie and Charles Lamar who dropped anchor at Jekyll Island off the coast of Georgia on November 28, 1858, with 400 African slaves. They smuggled them in small boats and were sold to plantations and slave markets across the South, where they were sold for upwards of $700 a head. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade

The civil war ended the legacy of slavery. This surely did not end the plight of blacks. I would label it more the beginning of the "trials and tribulations of black America" which is still testing the "patience and endurance" of it's people.

You keep insisting I have no insight into this topic and yet you know nothing about me. Most First and second generation Americans and their families have experienced prejudice in one degree or other. I lived in predominant black neighborhoods of Detroit growing up. I have worked with alcoholics and drug addicts close to 40 years. This has included many blacks and other minorities. My present boss is black, and he is not the first, and I have worked for Asian bosses also. I think I may have just a smidgion of insight. I am always open to be enlightened though. If this dialogue goes any further I'm sure you won't like it but there are more views than just your own or mine.

 

A good read: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/...acy-of-slavery-lingers-in-our-cities-ghettos/

It is morally and intellectually superficial in the extreme to begin and end one’s argument with the observation that the problems of the underclass are due to their high rates of criminal behavior and out-of-wedlock births, and not to white racism. But this is what political discourse assessing the status of blacks has come to. The highly ideological character of racial debate in America makes nuance and complexity almost impossible to sustain. For while it may be true that the most debilitating impediments to advancement among the underclass derive from patterns of behavior that are self-limiting, it is also true that our history has dealt poor blacks a very bad hand. Yes, there must be change in these behaviors if progress is to be made. But a commitment of support will also be required from the broader society to help these folks help themselves.

The conservatives deny this.....

 

Didn't many black folks alive today suffer through Jim Crow?

 

Jim Crow laws were state and local laws that enforced racial segregation in the Southern United States. All were enacted in the late 19th and early 20th centuries by white Democratic-dominated state legislatures to disenfranchise and remove political and economic gains made by blacks during the Reconstruction period. The Jim Crow laws were enforced until 1965.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws

There are still pockets of it throughout the country. It is practiced by all social groups. We have a black neighborhood a couple miles from me and they don't sell to anyone except life long residents of their community. You never see a For Sale sign or a listing. The neighborhood is very well kept up and one of the lowest crime rates in the city. It is a segregated neighborhood but it works. No one complains.

 

Jim Crow isn't slavery. We've been discussing Slavery reparations, not Jim Crow Reparations.

 

....and yet it took a federal law to end it after how many years of allowing it to go on.

 

You only discuss slavery reparations, because you try to use the excuse there are no slaves alive today. Jim Crow Laws were just a new means of slavery.

 

The conservatives deny this. They rationalize the nasty, brutish, and short lives of a sizable minority of the black population as reflecting blacks’ deficiencies, rather than revealing any flaw in “our way of life.” Nowhere is the ideological character of this stance more clearly revealed than in the conservatives’ celebration of immigrant success, over and against native black failure. That nonwhite immigrants succeed is taken as a vindication of the system; that blacks fail is said to be due entirely to their own inadequacies. This is obscenely ahistorical. Frankly, I remain optimistic about the prospect that black teenagers, given greater opportunity, might respond with better behavior. What makes me pessimistic about our future is the spectacle of politically influential American intellectuals grasping at these cultural arguments as reason to abandon or ignore their moral responsibilities to those who are least fortunate in our society.

 

Expecting whites to solve the problems of the black community is racist. It assumes that whites have that kind of power (they don't) and it assumes that blacks lack that kind of power (they do). What have 50 years of liberal white saviors done for the black community? You should listen to more Malcom X. Black conservatives reference him all the time.

 

Well that's a totally different argument from Slavery reparations (which is the topic of this thread). I've not yet heard the political call for Jim Crow reparations, but it seems foolish to try to treat that as the same thing as slavery reparations, as you've been doing.

 

You agree with a racist about racial separatism? What a surprise.

"Whitey" alone does not need to solve the problem, although they should help. Everyone needs to solve the problem and by everyone I mean society and its social policies because that is who prevented the black community from creating wealth and now blaming them for the poverty they live in.

 

The Japanese were paid reparations because the US government was in the wrong. The decedents of slaves deserve zero tax dollars because the government did nothing wrong, in fact the US government did not participate in slavery at all, merely allowed it, as per the Constitution. When it was deemed wrong by the people, the Constitution was amended. That ended the government's sole responsibility in the whole slavery thing...

 

I hope I have some black ancestors...is there a test I can submit to get my $$$$?

 

Not to mentions the Japanese paid were the ones violated. Not their decedents 150 years on....

 

Very true, I guess I failed to imply that. I can't see how reparations for slavery would even be Constitutional. It would be a punitive tax on people who did nothing wrong. I can see no precedent for such nonsense...

 

You wrote that trash with a straight face. Smh

 

Why wouldn't I? Its all true. Some folks will whine about anything these days, eh?

 

To try and claim that the gov't had nothing to do with slavery and Jim Crow is a disgrace.

 

The federal government didn't have anything to do with slavery. Not sure where you think they did. They neither owned, bought, nor sold any slaves in their whole history. This is not a federal issue at all, which means it cannot be a punitive tax levied by the federal government. Jim Crow is a Democrat legacy, talk to Biden about it, yet again, not federal. You folks should get your **** straight and stop trying to rob honest Americans for something they had nothing to do with...

 

Who helps Asian Americans? They're actively discriminated against (college entry), endure racism, and yet still manage to do better than whites. Where is their help coming from?

 

They're just working out how many drops of African blood you'll need. They've been working on it for a long time, because no one is willing to give the number, so you could be in for a long wait.

Truth: They know reparations can never happen - because they know that to be invulnerable to massive exploitation, it would have to involve the eugenics of Hitler.

 

I have not limited the discussion of reparations to slavery. That's simply the only version I've heard discussed. This thread is actually called, "BET founder Robert Johnson calls for $14 trillion of reparations for slavery." Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, and Julián Castro during the Presidential primary race all came out for slavery reparations, not Jim Crow reparations.

Until you, I didn't even know that was a thing, but it's a different thing than what this thread is about.

 

Thank you for the article Edna. I agree with most of what is written when comes to highlighting the problems. Where I disagree is the lack of insight that somehow conservatives are an impediment to the solution.

The Civil Rights Act of 1965 was the right step to the solution but the short-sight-ness of those in charge at the time thought they pass a few laws and throw money at the problem and all would end well. I'm sure everyone's heart was in the right place but sometimes too much of a good thing can cause more harm.

Some programs, in my opinion, have caused more harm than good.

1954 U.S. Supreme Court landmark decision in Brown v. Board of Education declared racial segregation in public schools unconstitutional, many American schools continued to remain largely segregated due to housing inequality.

In the Charlotte-Mecklenburg school system in North Carolina, 14,000 of the 24,000 black students in the 1968-69 school year had attended schools that were at least 99 percent black. The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People challenged the Charlotte-Mecklenburg board in the mid-1960s and won the case in 1969, when Judge James B. McMillan ruled that the school district must use busing to achieve racial diversity in its schools.
On April 20, 1971, the United States Supreme Court upheld the use of busing to achieve racial desegregation in schools.

Soon ,across the country forced busing was implemented, and became one of the major reasons for "white Flight" out of the urban areas to the suburbs. Despite more than a half-century of integration efforts, the majority of America’s school children still attend racially concentrated school systems. This is reflective of the long history of segregation—policies related to everything from voting to housing—that have drawn lines and divided our communities.
https://edbuild.org/content/23-billion#CA

Many school districts noticed that minority students were not at the same level of education as the majority. Their answer was to lower the standards so all students would pass. This did not increase the minority standard but lowered the majority standard.

It went so far that even in sports the losers got trophy's . Failure was no option.

When remedies are tried, like school vouchers, the liberal base of the Democrat party, who are well endorsed by teacher unions fight tooth and nail to kill such funding. Even though the majority of minorities would greatly benefit from such programs.

I'm not big believer that you can force people to like each other but "respect for each others rights" can be somewhat regulated. All students of, state supported school districts, should not be deprived of supplies, text books, facilities and qualified teachers and staff no matter their economic standing. All education money can go into a state fund and distributed accordingly.

School choice should be a tool available to parents and school districts.

Trade schools should be established in every district as needed. (College is not for all)

Teachers should be given their power back to discipline unruly students and boards set up in each school to arbitrate disputes.

Children should not be pushed through school if they are failing but efforts to evaluate the situation as a remedy.

School districts should not be automatically punished if their schools are failing but should be evaluated and corrective action taken.

Communities and parents need to step up and participate in their childs education and school