Why are the COVID-19 spikes in Florida and Texas getting attention but not California?

So the governor, the lieutenant governor that whole governor staff, all those experts in the meetings and the cdc people, dr. Mcshorty, all the mayors.

All dip***s?

So... who specifically is not a dip****?

 

Did they reopen within the guidelines?

 

There is no point in having a Federal Government, if it doesn't make ANY decisions to support the states.

Which is, of course, the goal right wing extremists seek: divide this country.

Sorry.... we fought a war 150 years ago in part based on the question of whether or not states could be independent of the Federal government. Hate to be the one to break it to you but ... your side lost!

It is ironic though, how right wingers keep pushing stories about how "bad" the Federal Government is when they are out of power. Then they take over power, and PROVE by example how lousy it can really be.

 

Whose guidelines from when? They have changed half a dozen times.

 

Yes. Very likely there were other government agencies insisting in measures like this one. But, for what we know, it was Azar who was trying to bring these messages across to Trump. He finally managed to get the "China restrictions" one to Trump by the end of January. Which was a good thing. But too little too late.

 

Protests to demand basic civil rights to be protected. And some of the most successful in the last years, I would say.

Calling them "mass gatherings" is an effort to equate them to a football game, a Trump rally or 4th of July at the beaches.... by racists who simply refuse to acknowledge the fact that black people have a legitimate beef because they are denied the civil rights that white people have.

 

Trump's anal cavity.

 

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Have you heard the term played like a fiddle? This is what Cuomo did to Trump.

 

All he did was scream for things he never really needed because he really had no idea what to do. Trump filled his logistic orders and added hospital beds that were never used. Cuomo played the left wing voters like a fiddle and is still doing it. This Administration was responsive to requests from governors around the country, the same governors that now try to convince America that Trumpdid nothing. Some of us watched.

 

The only thing Cuomo hasn't gotten that he needed is aid to the states. But that game is still in play.

 

I have no idea what any of this means.

No! The idea of Health Secretaries is not to have them begging again and again for the President to take action to deal with an imminent threat. That's not completely accurate. Not even "to take action"... To even "listen" to them telling a President that an imminent threat exists.

I don't know.... Who cares? Nobody other than Trump could take that action (well, airlines did cancel their flights even before Trump announced the restrictions) And only Trump had a CDC, an HHS and intelligence agencies telling him trying to tell him that there was something coming that could kill hundreds of thousands of people in this country.

No. It would have been nice to do that. And also to restrict it from Europe. One day we'll know if Trump had the information that would have warranted that. But from the information we do know he had, he could have done much much more. At the barest of the bare minimums not lie to people.

No. I'm saying that's all the information from the federal government he HAD.

Absolutely! I do believe the CDC should have found some way to side-step Trump on this. He would have probably fired a bunch of them, but it would have saved lives. As a matter of fact, I think they should side-step him even more NOW. They have sorta started to, but not forcibly enough. My admiration for Dr. Fauci, but right not he should completely stop following any order whatsoever coming from Trump. And if he gets fired, start his own webpage (like the data researcher in Florida... who has the only dependable page with real Covid 19 information about Florida), and use his contacts to get the information to transmit it to the public. Even if he gets fired, he can get information directly from universities and researchers in the country and all over the world and, with his credibility, counter the nonsense coming out of the WH.

Cuomo said he'd kiss Trump's ass if that helped them save the life of a single new yorker. Trump only responds to praise. No praise... and people in your state pay with their lives. Everybody in the world knows that by now. How could you not know it?

 

So what is the point of having state health departments if not to advise the governor and gather information pertaining to their state? Isn’t it obvious at this point management of different states should be tailored to the specific needs of citizens in that state? You don’t like the president, why do you want him telling your state what to do? Wouldn’t you much rather have someone like Cuomo or Whitmer who can fail miserably but you can still worship because they are “your people” making the call? I’m quite thankful my state has a competent governor and health department and doesn’t need outside authority to make correct decisions. I’m thankful New York can elect a moron for governor, suffer the consequences, and pretend someone else is responsible without me or the Federal Government being involved. Do you think the Federal Government should can Cuomo and take over management of NY?

Maybe. That’s what extremists of all persuasions typically do. Divide and conquer. It’s working on you and through you because you are working to divide along party and ideological lines.

My side? LOL. I’m not that old and I’m not on a “side” today anyway. I think all you partisans are divisive extremists.

Actually Trump has proven by following the Constitution and letting states make decisions that left winger politicians are stone cold killers in pandemics. My state had the same information or lack thereof as NY or anyone else. Yet the contrast between how left and right wing state government handled the pandemic is stark. New York’s death rate per infected person is 8 times higher than my state. It’s not even debatable that left wing has failed miserably on this pandemic.

Think for a bit about where we would be if someone as stupid and authoritarian as Cuomo was president and all states had to take his advice. Every state would have failed miserably like New York did. The death toll would be orders of magnitude higher than what we have today.

 

Actually, what is not in debate is that the liberal government of NY now has this pandemic, that was let loose on this country by the incompetence of the moron in the White House, under control. Now the incompetent right-wing regimes in the South are demonstrating their lack of concern for human life and prolonging the deaths and economic damage.

BTW, Dirty Donnie thanks you for your support. You have clearly demonstrated your bias for an incompetent child.

 

To gather information pertaining their state from sources like the federal government.

CDC had people in China in December. The CIA since... forever. You expects 50 states and 14 territories to each install their own intelligence agency and health departments abroad? They might have to if Trump is re-elected

Look. We went over all this like.... ten times already. Trump dropped the ball. Which is the understatement of the century. Nobody could have mismanaged this worse than he did. Even most underdeveloped countries in the world beat our ass. So besides how we are suffering due to the consequences, on top of that he has embarrassed us like never in history. People from all countries produce a meme a minute making fun of our response. Trump didn't create the virus, he didn't bring it to the U.S...... but he made things a thousand times worse than they needed to be.

The rest of your post is a compendium of strawman like

I want him not lying and not obstructing the job of health authorities.

That would have been great.... Unfortunately somebody more stupid and authoritarian than Cuomo is President*

 

“Under control” means the people who couldn’t flee NY and were most susceptible to infection are dead? Wow. Outstanding. Over 400,000 people fled NY to other parts of the country (parts of the country with the same president, but much safer) and spread the disease. Geneticists have determined 60-65% of cases countrywide resulted from spread out of NY. If Trump is the problem, why would New Yorkers flee to other places? It isn’t logical. He’s the president everywhere.

We will see if right wing southern states end up with death rates comparable to New York. I say it’s possible but not likely.

The only praise I have for Trump is his support for following the Constitution. I clearly stated I am thankful my state was free to make correct decisions without Trump’s interference. I understand when you don’t have an intellectual argument it’s natural to call people Trump supporters to try and score points in your own mind. But I’m not a Trump voter and only defend correct behavior by him and the administration. My bias is only for facts, regardless of where they turn up. If Biden was president today I would still support the rights of states to make decisions for their citizens. It’s how it is supposed to work.

 

I was struck by something said about Reagan 35-40 years ago...

When someone tells you never to trust the government and then asks you to put him IN the government...he is asking for a license to steal

 

The problem with your premise is some states did very well. It completely destroys your narrative. It’s as simple as that. Diverting to CIA assets, etc. is a distraction to keep you from having to admit to yourself states could and did succeed in spite of other states’ and federal government failures.

 

To achieve what exactly?

 

Protests ARE mass gatherings by DEFINITION! I thought you said that you don't support mass gatherings in the middle of a pandemic!

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...not-california.574578/page-11#post-1071836072

 

Okay, so you admit that Cuomo DID get all of those things. Good!

 

Never any doubt he would.

 

Yes. And some countries did well too. But not the first ones hit. When authorities realized that this country.... not just didn't have a President. We actually had a President who undermines the efforts to fix this problem.

Right New York is doing marvelously well. This last week, Florida surpassed New York in number of cases and in number of dead. New York was the first state. The got hit when there were no tests, no hospital beds, how to deal with nursing homes, at what point to stick a respirator up a patient's windpipe (not knowing this is likely to have caused many deaths), .... nobody even knew if it was a good idea to wear a mask or not. Today, in no small part thanks to New York, we know these things.

So, now that we know them, what is Florida's excuse? And, whatever that is, why is Florida not doing anything? In most cities the beaches are open, restaurants are open, wearing a mask is optional, people can gather in large groups,.... And the governor has announced that he plans to keep going with the next stage of reopening.

And you ask me if I wish Cuomo were in charge? Are you kidding?

Of course they can succeed! And New York is the prime example of this!

Compare!

 

That is false.
NYS residents have not spread the disease in the manner you suggest. JFK and Newark are international ports of entry and the geneticists have determined that NY was infected by flights arriving from Europe. Dummy Donnie doesn't seem to realize that the world is ROUND. When he banned flights from China, he was too stupid to realize that Europe also had cases and , sure enough, that's how the virus landed on the east coast.

So much for your "facts".

Your praise of Dirty Donnie is based on a false premise: he craps on the Constitution regularly and his administration had 7 felons (now 6 due to more corruption in his regime).

 

It sounds like you had confidence in Trump to deliver!