Tell me the numbers are not inflated

If there is no diagnosis there is no evidence.

 

This. It's not that it was a "newly discovered" case, it's a case that already existed but because they didn't test the person they didn't know about it. So they can say that it was "undercounted". But correlation doesn't equal causation. Just because we haven't tested everyone, that doesn't mean that everyone has coronavirus.

It's still, at the end of the day a pathogen, that had its avenue from China-to-Europe and areas where hosts had been to and things/areas that they touched. It's not like there's random COVID-19 cells dropping down from the sky everyday.

So there has to be a natural limit where the virus exhausts itself. Where we've got enough people contained and the virus sheds itself out either via the death of an infected person or the recovery of an infected person.

 

And they know this from counting "deaths in excess" above previous years on average.

If anything covid deaths are UNDER counted.

Just stop

 

The numbers are not inflated.

 

A confirmed positive test is only one method for evaluating whether someone had covid-19

 

Is that a joke? Because the mental stress (not to mention the brain damage, heart damage, or lung damage) caused by covid-19 seems like it could very easily be a contributing factor to a car wreck.

 

Another who comments without watching and believes everything they tell him.

 

Exactly...

And Everybody KNOWS that the numbers aren't inflated...

 

It reminds me of the meme I found a few month ago wherein there's nothing left of a shark attack victim except part of an index finger, and after it tests positive for Covid-19 the death certificate stated Covid-19 as the cause of death. It was macabre and funny and, sadly, indicative as to how Covid-19 deaths actually are being counted.

 

Yet Another who comments without watching and believes everything they tell him. ^

 

Your tread title said, "Tell me the numbers are not inflated."

So I did.

If you want an explanation for why they are not inflated, despite your out of context video, then I will be happy to do such.

During a pandemic, when you have a novel virus that affects the body is new and unpredictable manners, it makes very little sense to claim that covid-19 is not a causal factor in a death when the evidence as to the primary cause of death is ambiguous. And even when you have information as to the primary cause of death, it is very, very rare that you can only have one cause of death. A covid-19 death is any death where a medical examiner determines that covid-19 likely played a causal role in the death of that individual.

For other infectious diseases, like influenza, we use mathematical modeling to estimate the number of dead in a given season. If you counted Influenza deaths in the same manner as Covid-19 deaths, i.e. Influenza is listed on the death certificate as a causal factor, then the single deadliest year from the Influenza killed around 15,500 people. If you used mathematical modeling to estimate Covid-19 deaths by, for example, comparing the all-causes of deaths for the areas hardest hit by Covid-19 against the averages for those same places and times of year, you will find - across the board - that the number of all causes deaths in those areas is significantly greater than the average even AFTER you account for the announced Covid-19 deaths.

In other words, to go back to your Thread Topic, the numbers are not inflated. In fact, they are very likely undercounted.

 

You call the video "out of context" did you even watch it? Out of context relative to what?

 

If that 500 lb man had his heart explode during the ~2 week period that he had covid-19, then it is entirely appropriate to mark him as a Covid-19 death because...

Covid-19 causes heart damage.

 

That's the only part of my post to which you want to respond? OK.

Yes, I watched the video. Months ago when it first stared to make the rounds amongst those denying the validity of the death count.

The video is out of context because it doesn't address the rest of the statements and positions made by that exact same person and other health officials regarding how to account for covid-19 deaths.

 

Totally, Bro'...

Time to re-open everything, forget the masks, and go back to business as usual (like it never happened)...

Forget the vaccine, COVID is over...

Good lookin' out...

 

A test swab is only one way to diagnose. If confirmed lab diagnosis are limited by the number of tests available, don't you think that laboratory confirmed deaths underestimate actual deaths?

 

I'm quite sure 25X to 50X as many people have been exposed to the coronavirus than the tests indicate, and would test positive. And that is a good thing. But there is no corroborating evidence for that.

 

There is. They are called serology studies and the CDC estimates, based on the multiple serology studies that the true rate of infection in America is roughly 10x the confirmed count.

 

So it's edited to relevant points being discussed, like i did with your post. That's not "out of context" it's just addressing a certain point.

Are you saying the video is selectively edited, into multiple pieces in this video?

 

Whats 'straw man' about it? You don't think counting someone who died from other-than-covid as dying from covid is, at the very least, not very good science?

 

Motivated strictly by $ and political aims, one kinda equals the other, a chain reaction.

 

The numbers are not inflated.

 

They are straight telling you in your face, but carry on, dont watch it, hate for you to have an open mind that might challenge the narrative you have been spoonfed.

 

Well it looks like this video was taken out of context.

Ezike said that the state is being careful to make sure to weed out deaths where the patient had COVID-19, but died in a manner completely detached from the virus, such as gunshot wounds or motor vehicle crashes.

There are also some additional deaths that happen in someone who happened to be COVID positive, but where the COVID infection had nothing to do with the deaths,” she said. “So we are at IDPH trying to remove those obvious cases where the COVID diagnosis was not the reason for the death. If there was a gunshot wound, if there was a motor vehicle accident, we know that that was not related to the COVID positive status.

“We are trying to make sure that things that aren’t related at all to the COVID diagnosis are removed, but if someone has another illness, like heart disease, and then had a stroke or other event, it’s not as easy to separate that and say COVID didn’t exacerbate that existing illness. That would not be removed from the count,” she added.

Source

So that's a clear a definitive answer as you can get. People who die from gunshot wounds and car crashes are not included in the COVID count.