More evidence hydroxychloroquine works

The MSM keeps hawking these Fake News Whoppers and the True Believers keep swallowing them.
Another 'Oh the humanity' moment is coming soon.

 

Killer Fauci and Killer Birx will be very disappointed.

 

And what does Trump have to do with it, except for throwing money at it? BTW: Weren't we told by Trump supporters in March that testing is not important?

 

Bingo! To be fair to them, they probably lack a lot of basic resources for properly tracking and reporting infections and deaths. But at the same, less than stellar national governance is probably playing a significant role as well. That's something Americans can now sadly relate to!

 

disgusting slander.

 

any doctor that prescribes hydroxychloroquine for covid should have his license revoked and charged with malpractise.

i simply do not understand the right-wing obsession with this drug.

maybe the manufacturer donates money to the Trump campaign

 

In March Fauci told us masks were unnecessary and that going on a cruise was just fine, so, as information is added, views change. That's called "learning". Are you anti-learning?

WAIT, I THOUGHT THEY WERE A HUGE SUCCESS AND ALL OUR PROBLEMS WERE BECAUSE #ORANGEMANBAD: Hong Kong is ‘on the verge’ of an outbreak that could lead to hospital system’s collapse, chief executive says.

Of course, you expect a place to go to hell when the commies take over.

 

OK, I understand that. I was talking to a conservative Michigan resident about it in another forum, and when he detailed all the over-the-top decisions their governor implemented, I agreed and said "it looks like you guys need to vote her out." But what about the other two states Trump also tweeted to "liberate"? What were the excesses? In any case, frankly, I think it's not in the spirit of federalism to see the POTUS berating state governors by tweet, and in such a blanket manner.

At the very least, because it leads to confusion and undermines prior messages (thus my calling it erratic). Trump's base is an expressive percentage of all Americans, and they look up to him for guidance, so, what is said and how it is said matters, and even if in the Michigan case there were grounds to berate the governor, when the evening before you tout how states need to stay locked down until certain conditions are met, and the next morning you dramatically tweet "Liberate Michigan!" "Liberate state X!" (like I said I don't remember the other two), "Liberate state Y!" your base will think "oh wow, Trump doesn't really want the lockdowns, he said so yesterday but look at his tweets of today, so, OK, I don't need to comply with no stinking lockdown" which then leads to confusion and undermines the very effectiveness of the lockdown he had praised just a few hours earlier.

That's what I'm calling an erratic style of leadership. Instead of dramatic "Liberate State X!" tweets, it would have been more well, presidential, if Trump had said "I do not agree with some of the measures Governor Whitmer wants to implement such as restricting fishing boats and certain items in stores, but I'm sure these state matters are best left to state governors and their constituents who will make their displeasure known to Governor Whitmer. This said, I want to make clear that without those excesses, I fully support the lockdown as I said last evening, because all together, we need to fight off this enemy that doesn't discriminate between red or blue states; we're all red, white, and blue, and since we don't have a vaccine or an effective treatment yet, we need to stay put in our homes as much as possible for now, to put a lid on the contagion." There. Not so difficult, huh?

In this crisis which short of the foreign wars is one of the biggest we've ever faced, we need calm, steady, and consistent leadership rather than bombastic tweets.

And again, this should not be understood as partisan. I'm a member of no party and I don't hesitate in praising the president when he does something right, like I've done in other posts of mine. In this, though, I wish he had exercised a more calming and less erratic leadership.

 

I understand you and others don't like Trumps bombastic personality and yes that is his weak point. He tends to quick draw and shoot from the hip which every so often leads to shooting himself in the foot. I cringe and roll my eyes at times at his as you put it eratic style but I'm issue oriented not personality oriented when it comes to a president and Trumps policies are in synch with my thinking.
As I stated earlier no man is without flaws and a president is just a man and I accept Trump warts and all on policies alone.
As far as his commentary on governors thats well within his purview as president. If he feels a governor is doing something which harms the union its not only his right but his responsibility to speak out on it.

 

OK, I'm guilty of hyperbole on this, and a misquote. Yes, he never advised people to swallow bleach, sorry for the misquote; bad form, my bad.

He did say something to the effect of disinfectant being injected and getting inside the lungs (most disinfectants currently sold in the US meet the definition of bleach) and then after the push back, said he was being sarcastic: "I was asking a question sarcastically to reporters like you, just to see what would happen." That's an accurate quote, not a misquote. Well, if you watch the videotape of this moment of the press briefing, that absolutely wasn't what was going on - he wasn't addressing journalists, but rather commenting upon what one of the members of his own team (William Bryan) was saying - and then a few days later after people kept saying he didn't mean it because he said "something like that" he confirmed that he did mean it.

Here is the exact quote and here is a link that has the video and everything else on the matter (except for the latter "I did mean it" which I have no time to research now, but did see:

"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs."

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/the-white-house-spins-trumps-disinfectant-remarks/

 

That psycho "doctor" Bonespurs cited to as "having lots if success" with a drug that doesn't work for CV19 thinks that demons and astral projection people have sex with women.

 

See post #235, please.

 

Good post. Agreed. As far as the last phrase, sure, but like I said, it can be done differently and with more tact and less strident drama. I even put together an example of how he could have addressed the point much better and without undermining in the minds of his base, what he had defended just a few hours before.

 

I’VE NEVER SEEN “SCIENCE” AS POLITICIZED AS THE SCIENCE OVER HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE: Yale epidemiologist: Dr. Fauci running ‘misinformation campaign’ against hydroxychloroquine: Accuses prominent doctor of harboring ‘total anti-science viewpoint.’

Dr. Harvey Risch, a noted Yale epidemiologist, has accused White House coronavirus task force member Dr. Anthony Fauci of waging a "misinformation campaign" against the drug hydroxychloroquine, claiming the medication has shown consistently encouraging results in treating COVID-19 when used properly.​

And he's a white male rather than an outspoken black female, so the social media giants are unlikely to censor him.

 

You really think in these dirt-poor countries everyone is taking this advanced drug? What?

 

He was looking at the doctors beside him asking a question, thinking out loud. I don’t see the problem. The media completely misreported it and tried to get people to believe he recommended drinking bleach

 

Enough are to lower the infection rate if it actually works to do that.

 

How do you even know a significant portion of the population in these under-developed nations are even taking this advanced drug? Have you considered that their low numbers may be a result of a lack of testing and proper records?

 

Just evidence based commentary. Fake Science Kills.

"Risch, however, is sharply criticizing Fauci's approach to evaluating the drug's effectiveness, arguing that repeated trials and tests have shown that it is markedly effective at treating COVID-19 so long as it is administered properly.

Risch, a professor of epidemiology and the director of Yale's Molecular Cancer Epidemiology Laboratory, has been pushing for the drug's use in the fight against the coronavirus for months. Last week in a Newsweek op-ed he called HCQ "the key to defeating COVID-19," claiming its use — particularly when administered with one of two antibiotics and the nutritional supplement zinc — has been "shown to be highly effective" in treating high-risk coronavirus patients."

JUST THE NEWS, POLITICS & POLICY, CORONAVIRUS, Yale epidemiologist: Dr. Fauci running 'misinformation campaign' against hydroxychloroquine, Accuses prominent doctor of harboring
***'total anti-science*** viewpoint.', By Daniel Payne, July 29, 2020. (*** mine)
https://justthenews.com/politics-po...accuses-fauci-running-disinformation-campaign

 

HCQ is not an "advanced drug". Hundreds of millions of human beings have been taking it for over half a century. In most of the world it is sold over the counter.

 

Well one of my best friends is a top US Dr and got Covid from a patient one month ago. He and his Trama 1 hospital uses hydorxy, zpack and zinc and a vitamin regimen that has shown great results reducing symptoms immediately after patients begin the symptom phase, in other words early on. He started taking it immediately after he tested positive and only had a headache for a day with zero lasting effects from the virus. Pardon me if I take his word for it over your medical partisanship. Oh and just so you know he uses remdesivir in more further along cases with severe symptoms and says it's helped somewhat in those cases but hit or miss. Carry on Dr Ronstar

 

Ok, what percent of Africa takes this drug annually?

 

Everyone with malaria or arthritis, and most people who are at risk of getting malaria.
Billions of doses. Quinine has been used at least since the Incas.
Aspirin may be more widely used, and aspirin is associated with more side effects.

 

I bet they didn't lock down either confining people to close spaces or put elderly sick people into nursing homes.

 

Killer Fauci has been science challenged for a long time.

"In a July 20 academic letter, Risch ultimately cited a total of 12 studies he said showed a positive association with HCQ use and improved mortality outcomes, including one trial in New York City concluding that "hydroxychloroquine use was associated with decreased in-hospital mortality."

Risch said that the practice of treating sicker patients with the drug "favors a poorer outcome for the medication."

"The evidence is when you limit studies to just the five conditions outlined in my first email, [the drug] shows benefits in those strict conditions," Risch said."
JUST THE NEWS, POLITICS & POLICY, CORONAVIRUS, Yale epidemiologist: Dr. Fauci running 'misinformation campaign' against hydroxychloroquine, Accuses prominent doctor of harboring 'total anti-science viewpoint.', By Daniel Payne, July 29, 2020.
https://justthenews.com/politics-po...accuses-fauci-running-disinformation-campaign