Does the positive side of tribalism/racism outshine the negative side?

Does the positive side of tribalism/racism outshine the negative side?

The moment we follow our selfish gene’s love bias of tribalism and racism for our own kind and color, we create a hate bias for all other kinds and colors.

Negative racism is born in us from our love of our own kind and color. It is natural and normal for the human species.

We are born the fittest of our line. It follows that nature would have it no other way for us as individual animals but to think of ourselves as the best. Nature always creates for the best possible end and for each of us and our genetic line, something like us is the best.

Tribalism/racism has a dual nature. Good parts and evil parts. Mostly good but it is hell when the uglier negative racist side is in play.

We are racist because we know that reality favors the survival of the fittest. That is what we are in our genetic lines; even the most unfit of us, when compared to the average or above average.

We mostly negatively express our tribalism/racism with violence, even to war and rebellion. The less profitable way to gain the upper hand as compared to trading. Check human history.

We are heading for violence in the U.S thanks to the oppression of too many groups. Blacks, natives, women, gays and all other groups that are oppressed unjustly are beginning to unite into a large group that will no longer be cowed. If nothing changes after peaceful means are tried, violence is bound to happen.

We must live in tribes as we are not in any way born free. That is the good part of tribalism, even as it holds the evil racism part within.

The evil part is using violence against those who are not in our own in groups. That is of course what we whites have been doing to non-whites for a long time now in North America.

It is good to be tribal and loyal to our colors and tribes.

It is foolish to not have the battle of the colors not shift to acceptance instead of hating others and bringing violence to all.

Black to white, all our own genetic lines, have shown that they too are the fittest for their color.

To kill or trade are the only ways to take advantage of each other in terms of control. Good competition without killing or oppressing each other is the ethical way forwards.

I see this as what being civilized is all about, and the best way for tribes, black to white, to co-exist in peace.

You?

Regards
DL

 

Our selfish genes' love bias? Yeah, go with that. Racism is awesome. The best.

 

The selfish gene simply wants to pass itself along. It is the concept that we exist in order to pass along our genes to another generation. Unfortunately, that means that even rape and the urge to commit it is "natural" for us, because it is one of many different strategies by which our selfish gene passes itself along. Extending this to the tribe, in ancient times when survival was much more of a struggle than it is now, it seems to have been the selfish gene's strategy to favor one's own tribe, i.e. one's biological kin, over all others. Today, this is part of what Carl Sagan so elegantly referred to as "dangerous evolutionary baggage." It is a part of our innate savagery and is no longer necessary, and indeed becomes harmful to others in an environment where it is simply no longer called for. If there is a positive side to it, it is in the abstraction of it to the point of mere competitiveness, e.g. America racing the USSR to space, to the moon, to the planets. That is, it no doubt plays a huge part in nationalism as we know it today. Unfortunately, this means it also prevents us from being a unified world existing in peace and harmony to achieve great things.

Our fundamental failure to live together peacefully is the reason why Carl Sagan referred to it as dangerous evolutionary baggage. It threatens to bring about our destruction in this age of technological horror that could see humanity wiped from the earth in a worst-case scenario, and it makes uniting to leave earth and explore the universe more difficult. It means that we are constantly a threat to ourselves, to one another, as we are fundamentally unable to rein these impulses in completely.

"Race" is an arbitrary, superficial concept that stems from our natural tendency to discriminate based on appearance. There is no "white race" except that which we perceive based on relative physical similiarities; there is much diversity among African populations as well as "white" European and Eurasian populations, and it was not all that long ago that "white" people were just as prejudiced against one another, e.g. Anglo-Saxons discriminating against the Poles, Irish and Italians here in America. This accomplished nothing good and eventually these populations have intermixed to the point where today's "white" people are a thorough blend of all, and we are none the worse for it. The same could easily be true if European, Eurasian, Asian and African populations all became as intermixed and reached a point where we could not differentiate any more. We would still be just a bunch of humans, all fundamentally the same, but would lack the old divisions since we would not be as aware of subtle underlying differences between one another. Ideally, it should not be necessary to reach this point to eliminate racism, but realistically, since we are innately racist due to millions of years of evolutionary programming, it may be the only way to achieve it, short of having some other out-group to unite the entire human species against as one big 'tribe.'

 

People are not inherently racists. A predilection to be with one's own kind does not necessarily translate to being a racist.

 

That is why you are in your tribe and likely discriminate against others.

We all do. It is natural. We just need to mitigate the harmful side more.

Regards
DL

 

How do you explain your political tribalism? Is that genetic also?

 

At least we agree on something.

 

Your post was nicely put, but I wanted to say something on this one point.

Rape, from what little I understand of it, is a control crime and is not led by reproductive desires.

A natural rapist in us would also have the natural --- nurture component and that is completely absent in a rapist.

Rape has always been a fairly rare thing, as people have feared the repercussions.

Remember that in the past, if you raped my daughter, you would ruin her worth to me, and I would likely kill you if you did not buy her.

Regards
DL

 

You deny the label, then put the label right back on.

Now we are talking degrees or racism and tribalism, while admitting that we all have it.

Regards
DL

 

I think that that is more of a learned thing.

Like religions, we tend to just thoughtlessly follow our family and tribe's position. We let them choose for our own security.

Some mature out of that sheeple phase and become free thinkers when they grow up.

Most do not and the systems seem to be set up to encourage that. They like us dumbed down. It is basically working.

Free thinkers are more demanding of our leaders and they see that as us being uncontrollably and our owners wish to keep us all cowed.

Regards
DL

 

Then you are as silly as our friend.

What he describes with his ---- "A predilection to be with one's own kind" --- is pure tribalism/racism. A reduced version, sure. That just makes his a nice racist or somewhat of a hypocrite. At least linguistically.

Regards
DL

 

Nope. Don't have a tribe. Sorry. Try again?

 

It isn't the conscious motive that matters to the Selfish Gene, but the outcome. Same with tribalism. We aren't necessarily tribalistic with a conscious effort to pass on our genes, but that is the outcome! This is what the Selfish Gene is truly about! It's us doing things to serve it, to pass it along. It doesn't matter whether we're consciously aware of it; only the outcome matters.

 

Actually it is normal human nature. We are wired that way.

 

My 'tribe' is not bound by appearance but rather by mutual respect, respect for rule of law, and willingness to hold each other in such regard that we would cheerfully lay down our lives one for the other. It is a tribe based on ideas not appearances.

We cheerfully welcome all who wish to join and it is your actions and your actions alone that get you removed from it.

 

The outcome of being dead due to retaliation for rape does not do our selfish gene's wishes.

The selfish gene defaults to doing good as that is the best survival technique.

Rape is the opposite.

I agree. Our tribalism is to appease our insecurities and fears of not having the fellowship of a tribe. Washout it, as you seem to know, we could not live or reproduce.

Regards
DL

 

Correct, so why not embrace it and then work on mitigating the damage parts?

We care doing some, but not enough.

Regards
DL

 

Thanks for reply.
Why is it that they like us dumbed down?
What is their agenda do you think? Is it mainly power? Money? Both??

 

Which tribe?

They mostly all offer about what yours does.

Regards
DL

 

No reason. I'm always in support of adapting to what life sends one's way.

 

All of the above reasons.

I spoke briefly as to why above. Ease of control.

Oligarchs want a slaved population. Not one of uppity free people who think they have rights.

Regards
DL

 

Oligarchy is a form of power structure in which power rests with a small number of people…..from ὀλίγος (olígos), meaning 'few', and (arkho), meaning 'to rule or to command')

Okay so you are basically saying a "small group of people" want to "control us easily".
Why do you think that is? What is their purpose for doing that? What is their main goal?

Just money and power correct? Is there any other reason(s)??

 

The human tribe...
And sadly most if them don't offer that. Mostly, from a historical perspective they offer some version of tyranny.

 

since whites have recessive traits its likely they will be more brutal to survive their tribe. it is white that the world needs to keep in check as they are the loose cannon. now whether we allow whites to survive means putting them in charge then ican see that point because as soon as whites loose that mantle it could be game over unless the other races can become civilzed but since those other races have already been civilized for the longest then there should be nothing to fear right? time to stop being racist white folk then!

 

It probably is true that most people feel an instinctive preference for others of their race, nation, and ethnicity. Anything that is instinctive is caused genetically. Genes vary from one individual to another.

I lack this instinctive preference. I first learned that Oriental girls existed when I was six or seven. I remember thinking, "Some white girls are pretty. Some are not. All Oriental girls are pretty." No one taught me to feel that way. I felt that way because it was natural for me to feel that way, given my genome. I continue to feel that way about Oriental women, especially Chinese.

I prefer Orientals to whites. My two best friends in high school were Chinese Americans. I also have a high regard for Jews. These preferences have gotten me into trouble on white nationalist websites.