Wear a freaking mask already

Most people don't incur any medical bills when they get sick, even with Cvirus. The bulk of those that get any symptoms at all treat with rest, chicken soup and orange juice. But ur right, its likely my increased business will cover that

 

One in five people get serious illness. Of these only 1 in 20 die, but 1 in 5 do get significantly sick. Most people don't incur any medical bills when they get sick? Really? In what sheltered world do you exist? At the very minimum people will pay for co-pays and deductibles and co-insurance, and medications.

There are two issues that make your take a bit iffy. One, is that viral load seems to be important as one of the main factors that determine if someone will have a mild/asymptomatic case, or a serious case of COVID-19, and manning a store, indoors, in constant contact with the public, with no protection, is a recipe for disaster as repeated exposure will increase viral load, so the proud store owners you are so proudly in favor of patronizing may get into more trouble than you imagine.

Two, there's been some very concerning evidence of possible long-term organ damage for survivors of COVID-19, even for mild and moderate cases. A German study found in a random population that tested positive, of which 67% had mild to moderate cases that never required hospitalization, and most were youngish and had no underlying medical condtions... a whooping 78% of people with heart damage directly caused by the virus, of which they were completely unsuspecting, but with a potential to get progressively worse as years go by and end up in life-threatening heart failure. At which point if your nice store owners are part of this unlucky cohort, they will surely have lots of medical bills.

It is true that it was a small study with only 100 people but the 78% number is quite mind-boggling, and in my opinion (and that of virtually all Cardiology groups) extremely concerning, if confirmed.

Beware of this virus. It may still prove to be more dangerous than we all thought, at first.

 

I live in a world where ppl tend to not seek medical care for colds and flus. They see the hospital as somewhere to go after home remedies fail. Where colds and flus are only considered dangerous for the elderly. Where antibiotics are avoided unless infection persists because they destabilize gut bacteria essential to nutrition which is essential to the immune system. Where folks know that animal (bone especially) broth, vitamins C and D and sunshine are better for common ailments than the bulk of modern pharma. Where people dont mask up unless they're forced to, still shake hands and ride in the car together, and still only 1% of the population in my county have tested positive for cvirus, and only 21 people out of 38K have died with it.

 

Good for your county. The virus isn't massively there yet. But wait, and you'll see that this virus ALWAYS spreads and proves the deniers wrong. Unfortunately. It's obviously not something I rejoice, given that as a healthcare worker, my entire life and vocation is made of an attempt to treat and prevent disease, and ease pain and suffering.

Newsflash: this is not the seasonal flu. This is not the common cold. This is a nasty, dangerous virus that unlike the influenza virus, attacks the endothelium (the inner layer of blood vessels) and causes severe cytokine storms and hypercoagulation, resulting in a propensity for organ damage in the lungs, heart, kidneys, and central nervous system. Sure, only 1% die (depending on underlying health and age) but the evidence has been accumulating that long-term effects such as heart weakness, kidney insufficiency, pulmonary fibrosis, and central nervous system involvement with strokes and cognitive impairment, depict a far bleaker picture than the death toll indicates, including in mild cases.

As for vitamins C and D, you are absolutely right. Take them. I'd recommend 500mg of vitamin C twice a day, and 2,000 to 4,000 units of vitamin D once a day, depending on your level (don't let it drop below 30, but you don't want it above 75 nanograms per millimeter). To this, add quercetin 500mg twice a day, and zinc picolinate 50mg per day, as well as melatonin controlled release 2mg per day. All of these can theoretically slow down the coronavirus' replication and boost your immune system, especially zinc, which needs to be carried into the cells (what we call the ionophore effect, same thing that hydroxychloroquine does) in order to inhibit the virus, which is done by quercetin (better and faster than hydroxychloroquine) which is in its turn boosted by vitamin C. Vitamin D stimulates the immune system.

Recent evidence suggests that B complex might also help with dampening the cytokine storm (which is one of the reasons for the melatonin, which does that, too).

None of the supplements above has any significant side effect (except for excessive level of vitamin D which can result in calcium deposits in arteries and other organs) and they are all cheap, readily available, and over-the-counter with basically no downsides. I take them every day. Sure, good nutrition and exercise and sunlight would be great but in the middle of this pandemic, these would correct the situation very slowly while these supplements will do it faster.

Thinking like you are thinking is commendable, but in the presence of a very aggressive, highly infectious novel virus, it won't be enough. So, I'd sincerely love it if you were to take a bit more precautions and you were to realize that your otherwise sound notions may be defeated by a very nasty and fast-acting virus that is best prevented than dealt with, as its danger can be quite unpredictable.

If God forbid you do catch this virus (or a loved one does) there are other things you can do to enhance the odds that it will be kept a mild or asymptomatic case; it would too long to detail them here. If it happens, PM me and I'll be happy to add some other things that should be done.

 

Thx for that. I'll look into it. Im always looking for more nutrition

As to 'the virus just hasn't hit us hard yet'... We have a state university, and we're the largest and closest of the 3 hubs/passes through the cascades between the Seattle metro area and the rest of WA. I think its safe to say we've been hit as hard as we're going to be hit.

This virus is/was an urban problem. Outside densely populated areas, it just isn't a big deal.

 

Chill babe.

 

Proven to help according to what?

 

According to those with more than an ounce of logic

 

Source? CDC?

 

Does a mask capture any droplets? You don't need a source to think of the obvious, you need logic

 

I think the CDC has been contaminated by politics and/or other agendas, with or without good intention, therefore is a less trustworthy source than it used to be, unfortunately. But if you look at post #225 above, I posted a study by the Duke University Department of Physics and I do think that they are very reliable. They devised a clever way to put it to test, and the test is quite conclusive. Take a look.

 

I'm chill but I don't care for style police. People should just focus on content; not spelling, typos, grammar, punctuation, and style; we are not a PhD dissertation or a professional publication.

If I were to pay attention to these things... yesterday someone replied to me in a long post with atrocious grammar and spelling all over the place, didn't even look like a native speaker (maybe wasn't). I just commented on the content of what the person was saying. Much better this way. Cheers.

 

Those figures are the protection given to the wearer. A cloth mask on an infected person provides more than 7.25% protection to others who are not infected. And 7.25% protection to the wearer is still better than no mask and if both are wearing masks then the chance of infection is much reduced

 

This is my 2 cents, nothing more.

When I had cancer, I spent a lot of time learning. I now make my own supplements.

Once a week I tap the D bottle and take what comes out, usually 3 or 4. I take one A a week thats 10K.

I make a breakfast pill that has C and bioflavanoids and a bunch of other stuff that I can go over if anyone wants it.

If you buy a single vitamin, it will typically have a godawful high dose. So I mix several together reducing the doses to what I think is best. Last time I forgot to include the zinc.

I eat a couple oranges and a banana every day. If I have some other kind of fruit, say blueberries, I'll usually have just one orange. Nothing against supplementation, but it doesn't replace the real thing.

I drink 2 or 3 12 oz pots of green tea a day. It's ridiculously good for you, and may even help with Covid. I drink that much because I am a caffeine fiend. I miss coffee a lot, the good stuff, not the crap you find most places these days.
https://www.metagenicsinstitute.com/blogs/antiviral-green-tea-extract/

I think one of the reason athletes don't get sick much is they drink more, flushing a lot of crap out of their system. Exercise 4 times a week, build up to an hour or more. Do both aerobic and strengthening. Those rubber bands are great.

This may be beyond what is advisable to suggest, but you know me. I have lung issues. So I usually have some Albuterol (inhaler) hanging around. I think I've had Covid, and I think my Albuterol kept me out of the hospital. There is a trick to using it, so have your Doc go over it.

YMMV, and best of luck.

 

Agreed, but I do know - and I've been repeatedly diffusing it here - of ways to better protect the wearer (way above 7.25% filtration) without having to resort to the harder-to-find and harder-to-seal-and-use N95 respirators. I never implied that even bad masks are worse than no masks. If you look at my posting history you'll see that implying that I do is very off.

 

I would add condescending to arrogant.

 

Are you under the impression that droplets don't range in size?

 

Why do you say that?

 

This is a debate forum not a lecture hall.
In debate you make your point as quickly and concisely as possible so your opponent has clear point counter point opportunity.
Your long winded diatribes are impossible to respond to and are known as Gish Gallop in the world of debate. You seem to be here to sermonize and judge others as inadequate if they fail to see things your way. At some point people just roll their eyes and tune your arrogant condescending ass out.

 

My wife and I just had this conversation. Even after a vaccine estimated to be 50% effective things won't change that much. Old people like us will still have to be extra careful to avoid a virus that will be with us a very long time.

 

I'm 72, and the virus will outlive you and me both.

 

Not going to look for it but I saw a study of droplets expelled while talking with and without various types of mask and all mask greatly reduced both number of droplets and how far they traveled from the speaker. Supposedly the virus hitches a ride on these droplets so that study convinced me mask are effective.

 

Which is why ultimately herd immunity is the only answer

 

I've never had anyone cough directly into my mouth.
Not saying it can't happen, but, it has not happened to me.

 

CORONAVIRUS droplets?