Salt Lake City - Police shot 13 year old with autism

There are instances where I have questioned responses of police and yes, I do think there are some training practices in some agencies that can ill equip officers, but when I hear of such instances, my first reaction is not to Monday morning quarterback from the comfort of my sofa; given I wasn’t present, I prefer to learn more of the facts that often take time to roll out after the first rush of the MSM to spin an incident. It’s unlikely officers responding would know any more than what was conveyed in a 911 call (the teen’s mental background was likely unknown to them), and how they assessed the threat on scene cannot necessarily be determined by nearby witnesses. As an investigation precedes (I think any deadly encounter should be investigated) it is likely we will learn more and hopefully, potentially learn if any changes to policy, training, and/or rules of engagement are warranted for consideration as a result of what is learned. Jumping to conclusions is like jumping off a cliff...both not very rational things to do.

 

Some yes, some no. If I didn’t at the time, I wouldn’t be here to post. Everyday I went to school was a normalized life and death possibility of where I lived. If caught by the security forces with it I risked being shot (had friend that were) or jailed even as a juvenile, but the alternative was a more likely encounter with those that would have no qualms doing major harm to me. I obtained the PPK from a predator that had intended to kill me with it... didn’t work so well for him. The only place I went unarmed was school, which I never once missed a day attending (I stashed my weapons nearby for the comings and goings).

 

and what I am saying is that without that knowledge and the skills to deal with it they are not suited for the job which appears to regularly result in them killing the person they are supposed to be going out to help The Department in question apparently does have 3 people who do have those skills though from what happened it would suggest they did not go. The Mother phoned for help from a 'Crises Intervention Team' It sounds like he had lost it and was shouting and yelling though she said he was not violent. What I am saying is that if someone phones up for help for their 13 year old boy and that is carried out by someone who does not understand what the problem is and ends up shooting them, this is catastrophic. It suggests this job should be taken away from the police and funding should be given iinstead to other organisations with the necessary expertise to deal with the situation.

 

If the kid had a gun it never would have happened. Anyone without a gun can expect to get shot dead.

 

What exactly are you suggesting? That if the autistic kid had a gun...he would have killed the cops first?

 

Neat Job ! ............................... ............................................
Make the 13 yr old kid, who was Running Away into a Cop Killing Slavering Maniac
A Child, who has more to do with Teddy Bears than any Weapons

And YOU don't think that YOU are being even the least bit Unreasonable, Do YOU
...................................................................................................................................... "Reasonablerob" ???

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As long as they do not have mental health issues I have no problem with it. That would not have been an issue during my LEO period. We have a constitutional right to do so as long as it's not a plane/school/courthouse.

 

You don't send them out armed because almost no one IS armed.


The US is not under any "International law", you know this yes? We're Americans not subjects.

 

Yeah. How else would the standard American phrase, "If everyone had a gun it never would have happened" make sense?

 

The reason which has been given for not arming the Police throughtout my life is that to arm them would encourage criminals to arm. I said that because that is what has been said repeatedly.

The advantage of our Police not being armed and our Public hating Police killing people is that in England and Wales last year the Police only shot and killed 3 people whereas in the United States your police killed over 1000.

I do though agree with you that one of the reasons why your Police kill so many people is because some of you are armed. This comes from your founding and has a lot to do with white Supremacy. For that reason you will find that Repbulicans are far more likely to own guns than Democrats and that when Black people decided to arm themselves in the '60's to protect themselves from same, the US took to arresting and killing them.

INTERCEPTED PODCAST: WHITE SUPREMACY AND THE CHURCH OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT

There would be no excuse for your Police being so 'trigger happy' if so many of you did not carry guns. That such a lot of you do have guns cause a couple of problems. Police frequently kill people who do not have guns and secondly your Police appear not to have the basic skills which police need as Mandelus speaks about in Post 73

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...old-with-autism.578118/page-3#post-1072038013

I know two or three years ago there was talk of your Police coming to Scotland to learn the basic skills of de-escalation and how to arrest someone who is armed with a knife or gun without shooting them. I think as yet nothing has come of that.

International Law is built on a set of humanitarian values. The US was at the heart of setting this up. It is indeed a shame that the US now far from sticking to International Law has degraded so much that it is wanted by the ICC.

 

I'm guessing Thingamabob is one of your fellow tRumpence supporters....but he doesn't seem to agree with you.

 

Your police ARE armed, just not every one. Arming the police has NOTHING to do with citizens suddenly owning guns, they're not exactly legal. That's the worst argument I've seen on the topic.

There is a 21' foot rule with knives, because you can still be shot and run toward an officer and inflict fatal dame before expiring. Dealing with a knife-wielding loon requires a gun for safety. I am not concerned for the loon carrying the knife.

The US has no "international law" and we are not subjects.

News; we are not giving guns away. We have the right to own them to protect ourselves, we do not need a nanny to hold our hands.

 

Video Live Streamed Over Facebook Shows the Moments After a Black Man Was Shot Dead By Police | The Governor of Minnesota said he believes the victim, Philando Castile, would still be alive if he were white.
Castile was driving with his partner, Diamond Reynolds, and her four-year-old daughter when at 9:00 p.m. he was pulled over by Yanez and another officer in Falcon Heights, a suburb of Saint Paul, Minnesota.[3][4] After being asked for his license and registration, Castile told Officer Yanez that he had a firearm (Castile was licensed to carry) to which Yanez replied, "Don't reach for it then", and Castile said "I'm, I, I was reaching for..." Yanez said "Don't pull it out", Castile replied "I'm not pulling it out", and Reynolds said "He's not..." Yanez repeated "Don't pull it out".[5] Yanez then fired seven close-range shots at Castile, hitting him five times.[6] Castile died of his wounds at 9:37 p.m. at Hennepin County Medical Center, about 20 minutes after being shot.[7]

If that woman wouldn't have recorded that incident...the cop probably would have got a medal...or maybe he did anyway
I don't know if cops need a nanny...but they definitely need some kind of help

 

We don't know what happened to precipitate the shooting. We have the description of one NON-eyewitness. In a week we'll get more information from the police department. In the absence of that information, you're jumping to the wild (and unwarranted) conclusion that they shot him merely because he refused to get on the ground. That's unlikely. No cops are trained to shoot someone for passive non-compliance.

International law doesn't govern police actions here. There are state and local laws and department policies, as well as some federal law / jurisprudence that dictates how the officers are to handle situations.

Police killing of kids under 10 does happen, but I'd call it pretty "unusual" and quite rare. I can recall only a handful of incidents in recent decades, all of them quite tragic.

That's exactly what I'm doing. A "massive overhaul" of our police system seems unlikely, so in lieu of that, I'm urging parents not to call 911 on their misbehaving child. That's something they can control and could "stop this happening to the next person".

 

She did not record the incident, she recorded after the incident happened. The incident in which the officer was no-billed, of course. The incident where the db was smoking weed with his gf AND driving with a child in the car! The incident where he was reaching for a gun and officers told him to stop. He did not comply and was reaching for a weapon.

That's the incident.

 

Of course ! - The Police get to Investigate themselves.
No mention made of any inherent "Conflict of Interest"
...." the Officers actions were according to Regulations & Policy"
case closed with the standard application of a brushed over Whitewash

 

Well, they're not the shining cities on the hill we all hoped for but they're more democratic, no longer threaten the world and the people of Afghanistan can fly kites and play music? But this is a discussion for another thread really?

 

No you speak from ignorance, you get six foot tall 13 year olds these days. Mentally ill people are incredibly strong, I remember one little girl who wouldn't come to my shoulder and it took three of us to restrain her. I remember the guy who'd sliced his arm to bone and simply stood there without anaesthetic as the doctor sewed him up. You can say that we should send social workers or paramedics but with violent people you still need to subdue them for treatment and that takes violence. Whatever the great terror in their life you are it and they will fight as if their survival depends on it, that adrenaline dump. Roll on the Star Trek phaser!

 

I'm from Londonderry myself, which part of Belfast exactly? Because I was stopped and searched 10 times a day so how did you get away with this?

 

These cops were only half-bad. At least they didn't violently beat the child unconscious before they shot him.

 

Yes, I think I'm perfectly reasonable, whenever we have one of these situations they always produce one of these pictures where the suspect looks like an angel, when the police encounter them they're the devil incarnate.

 

If they'd been able to do that they wouldn't need to have shot him?

 

They need people to have empathy with them. The officer acted perfectly correctly, what sort of moron was this suspect to get himself shot?

 

So ...
did the mother need help to calm her autistic 13 year old son down and get him under control during his seizure because she couldn't in this emergency case?

So who should mother have called if not 911 to get help here please? Come on ... to blame the mother to have called 911 in an emergency case is really lame...

 

To blame the police is worse. People call the police because they need someone to use force when they can't, they then complain when the police do what they have to do, it's a no win scenario for law enforcement.