Unofficial ballot drop boxes found in three California counties

Not in the context I'm posting it.... Sorry Mr Glue........

 

Democrats: voter fraud is rare. Hey, republicans are committing voter fraud!

 

Whether it's a conservative or a liberal, I believe in voterID and that everyone should have access to said iD's. Everyone gets one vote, and one vote only. Fair is fair.

 

I'll be putting my ballot in the box next to the security booth at city hall. I trust my vote to a strange box outside a church about as much as I trust it to the lady at the post office that keeps giving me mail for the boxes next to mine (and probably mine to them...).

 

Official drop boxes are sanctioned for a variety of reasons. One major reason is counterfeit drop boxes are not secure and the ballots could be compromised it they are delivered to be counted at all.

There is no good reason for counterfeit ballot drop boxes.

 

With the official admissions of the State GOP that these fraudulent "voting" box, it is also obvious that the Republican Party across the entire country has added this practice to their bag of dirty tricks and lies.

The only reason these felonies are caught now is that the most other areas Republicans are encouraging these criminall activities, and think they can cover it up when Trump wins.

 

Do it legally. Is law and order no longer an issue? People who collect ballots, at a retirement home for example, are required to register, present ID and give receipts. This way if the ballot doesn't get deposited with the proper authorities then the police know who to arrest and where to find them. 2-4 years in prison. Simple enough, have someone standing at your "official" box signing receipts, or are they too lazy to obey a simple law meant to protect the integrity of people's votes? Of course it could be something more nefarious, "LOOK AT THIS!!!! WE FOUND THOUSANDS OF UNDELIVERED BALLOTS IN A DUMPSTER!!!!" If they are desperate enough to willingly break the law by harvesting the ballots then it a short step to destroying them to make a point. Fortunately in this age of cellphone cameras it'll take the authorities a matter of hours to round up the perps and they'll probably tack on some RICO charges as well. One thing for sure, it'll never happen again.

 

Except the GOP is saying they will ignore the C&D letter sent by the AG yesterday.

SNIP
In a statement to NPR on Monday night, California GOP spokesperson Hector Barajas wrote: "We are going to respond to the letter, continue our ballot harvest program and not allow the Secretary of State to suppress the vote."
ENDSNIP

It's only never going to happen again if Cali takes VERY strong steps NOW to ensure it's stopped...

I hope arrests will follow if the GOP refuses to remove the boxes by the deadline.... I cannot see a single reason such blatant illegal behavior isn't treated as such.

 

Looks like Trump was correct to be concerned with this massive mail in voting....

 

Here is the actual bill passed.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160AB1921

Please tell me how ANYTHING they did broke the law.

 

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160AB1921

Here’s the law. What did the republicans do that broke the law? Nothing about receipts being required.

Cali decided to legalize ballot harvesting. So ballot harvesting is exactly what they’re getting.

 

California elections code 3017 states

Some counties do allow for registered people to collect ballots under strict rules.
Nowhere allows for drop-off boxes.
https://california.public.law/codes/ca_elec_code_section_3017

 

Nothing in that link prohibits anything the republicans did.

 

Just going to repost the same thing I did in the opinions version of this thread:

The illegal part is failing to identify them as ballot harvesting boxes, and instead labeling them "official" drop boxes. The violation is probably such a minor offense that the state would rather send a cease and desist letter than use an outsized number of resources to prosecute someone.

As sketchy as this looks, I don't think there was any mallice on the GOP's part. If they were actually trying to mess with lib voters, they would have put the boxes in places other than traditionally conservative locations. Seems like they were just making it more convenient for conservatives to drop their ballots somewhere. I could easily see Dems doing the same thing in a conservative state where there aren't a ton of drop boxes around *cough* Texas *cough*

 

CA is sending out cease and desist letters.

If they were really worried that Pubs were trashing folks votes, they'd remove the 'illegal' boxes and arrest the individuals placing them.

Until they do that, they are not demonstrably worried about peoples votes (or don't have a legal leg to stand on), and are instead just trying to create a story.

 

Wrong law... I'm not surprised...

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(1) “Vote by mail ballot drop box” means a secure receptacle established by a county or city and county elections official whereby a voted vote by mail ballot may be returned to the elections official from whom it was obtained.

(2) “Vote by mail ballot drop-off location” means a location consisting of a secured vote by mail ballot drop box at which a voted vote by mail ballot may be returned to the elections official from whom it was obtained.
ENDSNIP

https://codes.findlaw.com/ca/elections-code/elec-sect-3025.html

Stop wasting our time with your lame BS...

 

Mostly Agree (fully agree in Bold)... I covered this back in post #18... what do you think about my proposed sequence of events?

It would be very hard to prove the purpose/motive of placing these boxes. It could simply be they want to make it easier for people to drop their ballots off (all of them, not just GOP), which I would generally approve of IF implemented by the governor or elections supervisors (and completely the opposite of the crap that's happening in Texas).

However, as I posted above (#41), this is simply illegal and needs to be stopped faster and more completely than a lame C&D letter.

 

I dunno if its illegal, or if it should be. Another poster suggested anyone placing their vote in just any ol box may not be a vote worth worrying about. I tend to agree. I'll be depositting mine in the box at city hall right next to where the sherrifs dept stands watch.

If its illegal, arrest the perpetrators. But then again, we've had folks getting away with arson and assault, so illegal votings boxes- why not? If the law doesn't matter, then I'll just be my own president.

 

LOL.. that was probably me... I'd love to believe no D's in California would be dumb enough to shove their ballot in a cardboard box (as reported), but I suspect I'm wrong. Seems that the only advertising was on GOP sites.

Regardless, these violate the law, so the ball is in the court of the Cali AG. If he wants to go with a C&D letter (to start), that's on him.

 

I think they did what they did with the C&D order because when they do start picking up the boxes if they find any ballots over three days old then they could go for more serious charges and apply the RICO act.

 

Interesting.... I like it... Except how do you know how old the ballots are? Do they have to open them to determine that?

Besides, they are asking for the GOP to pick up their own boxes, which I fully disagree with...

 

Republicans trying to sow distrust in our election system through their own criminal actions, and they are succeeding. No surprise there.

Republicans will not rest until they have torn down ALL public institutions that make up a civilized society.

 

All true, but it's the hypocrisy that drives me nuts... Not that Cali and Tex GOP have to coordinate with each other, but Texas is removing valid drop off boxes and Cali is adding invalid drop off boxes...

WTF?

 

VERY SHALLOW MINDS

 

Democrats will not rest until they have torn down ALL public institutions that make up a civilized society. More accusations by the Democrat Party that has no morale anchor.