Wild new plan to eradicate smoking in Australia entirely

A suicide rap, viruses were born to run....

 

I was a smoker until 1988. My cardiologist tells me it takes 15 years of not smoking to completely clear the lungs of tars. Your lungs aren't completely clear but you are on your way.

 

Yes they do. The nasty, evil, government tries to stop their citizens from dying earlier than they have to, at vast public expense given once they have actually contracted lung cancer or emphysema etc, the stats show the cost burden is almost entirely born by fellow taxpayers. How dare they! This is just another example of the nanny state like free vaccinations, free cancer checks, breath testing for drink driving and all those other public health and safety initiatives the fascist government thinks up to try and save lives. Let people be free to kill themselves and others in the process I say.

And so Jet if you want to 'chow down' on a cyanide sandwich, have at it, after all its your right as a free thinking individual. Show the government you, at least will not be chained into conformity.

 

Probably because smokers stink so much no one will go near them!!

now this is a lesson in referencing systematic reviews rather than poorly conducted small studies

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Yeah that US government is so concerned about smoking, that they manage to ship cigarettes in by the plane load onto military bases in Afghanistan and Iraq. Many of us would have been forced to quit during our deployments without this government assistance in obtaining smokes. Yep, real concerned...

 

Because it amounts to a gradual mental reprogramming effort. You convince people to change in baby steps. Thus the political tradition is to deny the true end goal your party even WHILE you are openly pushing for it. That way you can fool otherwise intelligent people into voting for you against their long term best interests -- best interests as in personal freedom versus government control of all activities from cradle to grave.

 

When that story broke months ago, my theory was that the toxic properties of nicotine killed the virus. Who knows?

 

Shows what people will believe

 

Sorry BB, I forgot that some claiming English as their primary language don't know the meaning of the word "theory."

I guess there is down under, and then deep down under.

 

Sounds like discrimination to me. And if as the article states, smoking causes one in seven deaths. How soon before they go after the supposed causes of the other six of every seven deaths. I think they are flirting with a Hitlerish master race mentality, or some spinoff of Sharia. Are these self righteous know it all's setting themselves up for their own cancellation somewhere down the road. Can they abolish death, or will they covet and guard every degradation of the human soul till death comes in big bites, scooping them up like a front end loader and dumping them in a fitting hell...the place beneath death for the most deserving. I hate priestcrafts.

 

Yep! How double DARE the Australian government attempt to educate people into living a healthier lifestyle!

 

Yeah I see that many don’t

Certainly many seem willing to jump on a bandwagon that has shaken evidence

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.26389

 

Asking if this is a problem is almost a philosophical question. Does one believe in freedom and make their own decisions or does one want to be told what to do for their own good and based on what is fashionable?

 

Odd that they'd go after smoking and ignore alcohol consumption which is far worse than anything. Not to mention homosexuality relative to suicide and AIDS, and by example, its negative effects on impressionable youth. Obesity is another killer, and it's getting worse.

 

Nothing is free. All of that free stuff you mention is stuff that someone paid for.

So here is a question for you. Thousands of people die in car accidents every year. In the US I believe it is about 30,000, and close to 2000 in Australia. We can eliminate most, if not all, of these deaths by passing a law to limit the top speed of a car to 20MPH. Do we do it?

Thousands die every year from drinking alcohol every year. People get drunk and start fights. Should alcohol be made illegal? Maybe we can limit consumption to near beer at 3.2 percent alcohol in the interest of public safety.

Here in the US the biggest danger to public health is unhealthy food. Should the government tax unhealthy food in the interest of improving public health? Say tax or ban any food with too much sugar, salt, fat, etc.?

 

Where is the government going to get all the money if everyone lives longer? After all I read time and time again the old people cost the most money in health care in old age and not to mention Social security pay outs in America.

 

Should I tell the next Australian bashing the US President in the most disrespectful terms just don't move to the US?

 

As a fit 5' 9" 165 lb smoker I always say we should have a fat tax, mandate once a year people get on scales and have to pay if one is overweight, sounds fair to me, since obesity is the number two killer.

 

Attempts to ban and suppress tobacco smoking represent racism against native peoples. This is discussed in a book I highly recommend: "Where White Men Fear to Tread" by Russel Means.

https://www.amazon.com/Where-White-...99370&sprefix=where+white+men+,aps,211&sr=8-2

The following link shows how the Australian government is attempting to social engineer native people in Australia and suppress native customs based on white man values.

https://www.health.gov.au/health-to...aboriginal-and-torres-strait-islander-peoples

in 2010 we began funding programs to reduce smoking among Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities. Since then tobacco use has substantially reduced. The proportion of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders, aged 15 years or more, who smoke daily has gradually reduced to 37% in 2018-19.

 

I think it is fine for government to advise people to quit smoking and even to help them to quit. But nicotine is very very addictive and government shouldn't go beyond advice and help. It has to be a personal decision. I smoked heavily until 1988 when I had a heart attack. Quitting was difficult. People who haven't endured the addiction can't really speak to this issue fairly.

 

I started smoking when I was 13, quit in my late 20s. Took a while.

Quitting was one of the smartest things I ever did. Not only did I feel better, food tasted better, I could see better, even sex was better. Wish I could tell my 13 year old self don't be an idiot.

 

Are you “free” to piss in a public place?

it reminds me of an old joke about the man smoking in the local shop. The shop assistant confronts him and tells him he cannot smoke inside the store. He replies that since they sell cigarettes in the shop he can smoke in the shop

Her answer?

“yes sir - we may sell cigarettes but we also sell laxatives - doesn’t mean you can....”

 

we have all sorts of assistance - and it is free. Free medical support in the form of patches, champix, even a free phone support service. Bottom line it is MY tax dollar that smokers are burning up in the burden on the free healthcare system

 

Which free health care system is that? Yes there is all kinds of assistance. I did it the hard way and succeeded mostly because I was motivated by my heart attack. I had to do it or die sooner. It isn't easy. It takes a serious desire to succeed. We should continue to provide assistance and motivation. We should not force people into withdrawal from a very addictive substance.