"A good God wouldn't have a Hell"

The OP is a illogical fallacy of fantasy.

You haven't defined the OP topic then.

 

Sorry, dairyair, I'm not going to waste my time with you here. I'll have to leave it to other readers to use logic and come to their own conclusions.

 

Well I don't think this was the most interesting idea in my post but, since it's the one that baffles you, I'll try to clarify; though, seeing as it is right in front of you, I don't know how much luck I'll have. The part of my post you quoted w/ your reply was

That is, it's a shame you can apparently not appreciate anything remarkable that human beings, nor that a Divine Presence animating creation, a God, might be capable of if YOU, personally, are not, at least presently, able to accomplish it yourself. Believe me, there are many who would consider that a sad thing, but I don't know how I could possibly MAKE YOU see things from that perspective.

Since you quoted my previous post (about my not believing I would be able to match the exceptional cases I enumerated), I will also quote from that

In other words, you would seem to be beyond being motivated to in any way try to improve yourself, or stretch your limits. Put another way, according to the logic of your argument, you allow your current limitations to limit your future aspirations. Sad enough for you?

 

if you want to believe in this God, fine, but just realize, he does bad things, thus is not a good God, many mythical God's are like that and it's for a reason, these religions wanted to use fear to get people to believe, they want you to believe that their God will punish you if you do not believe like them

your topic was "a good God wouldn't have a Hell"

I agree.... pointing out this god has a hell, shows he is not a good god per the title, showing bad deeds this god was said to have done is confirmation of that, thus on topic

 

This is a more interesting idea of yours. The obvious reason for the seeming contradiction is that God, according to the religion providing the story which you cite, also reserves vengeance for God, alone. "Judge not, lest ye be judged." But, since I have not been a follower of Christianity for several decades, now, I would not be a good person to argue that side of the case. (Maybe I'll offer something about this later on, if any interesting observations come to me).

 

I'm just trying to have some realism.

It seems you are basing your argument on an ideal. It's fine to aspire to an ideal, not not necessarily sound to base an argument on it.

Yes, it perhaps may be that if every person were able to completely forgive, no-strings-attached, there might not need to be a Hell.
That is a hypothetical, however.

 

So you are seeing it as a contradiction that we are told to forgive, while God gets to have vengeance. Is that it?

 

You could use the OP logic and define what this god is the OP is about.

You want to limit it and the discussion, without defining the limits you want to set.
So set the limits of this good god and define it.

Until you do, the assumption must be made it's the Christian god of the bible that is omniscient and omnipotent. Which begs the question, why would that god create evil only to punish its created evil.

So, define what god you refer to. You seem to not be able to do that.
If you refuse to define your god you refer to, you're wasting everyone's time here. Because you're just making up your own rules without ever defining your rules to anyone else.

 

So your argument is meant as a proof of Hell? And you're calling my argument, "hypothetical?"
Though, of course, I was NOT making an argument against Hell, per se; I was explaining to you what you couldn't understand about my post, in which I had commented that I felt sad for you that you could not be inspired by the remarkable acts of others, remember?

 

Do you know what, "contradiction," means? If so, I don't know why you need to ask me. As I said, I'm not in a position to take on the role of defender for any of Christianity's articles of faith or theological assertions. Would it not be best to pose that question to someone who accepts the concept?

 

Sigh...
No, my argument is meant as a rebuttal to the argument that there can't be a Hell because it would not be consistent with a good God.

I thought I had repeatedly explained that several times already.

 

It's very frustrating. I already addressed that.
I really don't like having to repeat things over and over again.

That's the problem with a long thread.

 

religion is just an idea as well

 

the thing that makes it a 'bad' God, is that he sends 'good' people to hell for nothing more than not believing

there is many other bad deeds God has done per the myths to confirm this

 

Already addressed that in this thread. Not going to waste energy repeating myself again.

You're wrong.

Sounds like more off-topic diversions.

Just throwing mud around.

Unfortunately it takes 10 times more effort for me to address these accusations than it does for you to make them.

If you want to argue about that, go start another thread.

 

more trying to silence on topic discussion on the thread you don't like

the topic is God and if a good God would have a hell, so we have to talk about the God's that do have a hell and determine if they are good or not

 

No, you are constantly trying to change the topic, and obfuscate the discussion with other complicated issues, which are different enough from the topic that they deserve their own separate discussion.

You refuse to start a separate thread about it, so I'll assume you don't want to talk about it.

You could always leave a link to that other thread here.

 

Already addressed that in this thread. Not going to waste energy repeating myself again.

 

Your discussions you constantly bring up are off-topic.
They might have something to do with what we are talking about, but that doesn't mean they are appropriate to argue about it in this thread.
Unfortunately you don't seem to be able to realize that.

It's not that I refuse to discuss them, it's just that I refuse to let you constantly derail discussions and go off-topic, in way that will pretty much guarantee the original topic in this thread will never get discussed.

You're bringing up separate issues, and then trying to argue about them. That's not fair.

Start a separate thread and then leave a link here in this thread, if that's what you want to do.

 

Okay fine, if you want to do that, we can have that discussion in this thread.

That didn't seem to be what you were bringing up before.


Just try not to go way off-topic into the nature of God, that constitutes a very separate issue, or doesn't relate to the primary topic in this thread.

 

I have already discussed that, they are not off-topic, I explained why, go back and read them

 

I was showing that the Christian god does bad things, thus bad gods do have hells, now can you find us a good god that has a hell?

 

If you want to argue that the Christian god does bad things, wouldn't it be more appropriate to have a separate thread for that?

I mean, if you could prove that, that in itself would sort of make the entire argument in my opening post irrelevant, wouldn't it?
So I think that would be off-topic.

There would be no point bringing it up in this thread.

 

if were discussing if a good god would have a hell, we need to discuss if the ones that have a hell are good or bad

do you know of any 'good' gods with a hell?

maybe the book says god created us in his image, maybe he is just as missed up in the head as humans are, maybe God is like a Trump, maybe he is a narcissist with a fragile ego that needs everyone to worship him, or he will punish them

but, lot of religions out there, maybe there is a good god with a hell and his hell is like heaven for nonbeleivers

 

Now, if the point you were trying to make was "Your version of a good God may not be my version of a good God", then that might be appropriate to bring up.
But you would probably have to limit it to specific examples, and I'd be afraid even then we'd likely get too off-topic with interpretation of different parts of the Bible you quoted.