Excess Deaths

Wait no....that would be incredibly "misleading".

Surely they didn't do that right?

 

We should count excess deaths for a period BEFORE the pandemic to claim that the number is lower than it actually is?

Why the hell would that be?

Why not exclude the pandemic altogether and just use 2019 against 2018 to claim that there were no excess deaths in 2020...

 

That's my point. We can't look at the raw data and assume the lockdown were ineffective because the excess deaths are the same. The deaths this year were in spite of the lockdown and closing borders while previous years did not take extreme measures. Trump himself said 2 million would have died and he never lies!!!

 

And that rolling average has been increasing daily. Why do you think that is?

 

No, don't wait, but here are 18 years of data. Looks like anything between 800-850 deaths per 100,000 people is fairly standard. I wouldn't be surprised to see 2020 come in on the high side around 850-860.

We ended 2019 with 2,855,000 deaths. Population is something of a guess until the 2020 Census comes out.


https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D140;jsessionid=BBD048FA15FA7081011671FA247F

 

“blogs-trending” eh? Opinion pieces are duly noted...I guess.

 

Yes, "noticeably". Of course we're going to "notice" deaths from a novel virus. But noticeably is not the same as excessively or horrendously or any other "-ly" to suggest that this should have been reason to destroy the global economy and all the devastation and death which will come from that in the next few years.

Mortality on a 12 month rolling basis "noticeably" increased throughout 2019 from Jan-Dec, with no new virus.

 

So 3 weeks worth of deaths which averages to around 180,000 to 200,000, which is indeed in the ballpark of reported COVID deaths and that isn't accounting for the reporting lag you keep ignoring.

Do you really think that if there had been fewer deaths than the average so far this year, someone who actually knows what they're talking about would have pointed it out by now?

 

People have been pointing out that this virus has not been nearly as deadly as we feared it might be in Feb-Mar-Apr due to faulty and exaggerated models. Now that we have some "real" data, experience and treatment, all remaining lockdowns should end. Year were right to be cautious 8 months ago, but there is no reason today to carry on with any economic restrictions.

 

So by your reckoning 2019 was an abnormally high year at 870 per 100,000.

 

also we have to remember, because lot of hospitals and other medical facilities were locked down, many people have delayed treatments (e.g. heart attacks) and eventually died prematurely.
Since no one investigated the negative effect of lock down (and number of deaths associated with lock down) it appears that whole COVID-19 story is just a political hoax.

 

Do you have the remainder of 2020?

 

No. Not "abnormally" high. I noted that 800-850 looks fairly normal. Plus or minus 20 is not far outside of that.

 

Dude, that's the BBC quoting actual medical professionals and experts

 

People are investigating it. Their voices have not been broadcast much while other experts voices have been amplified to a deafening volume.

 

More QAnon nonsense. Post stats or go away

 

People like...ohh...Candace Owens...who lied to you (the basis of this bogus thread) and Q?

 

Two Hundred and Ten Thousand dead...is pretty friggin deadly

 

No data yet after March. This link is posted in Post #1.

Here it is again:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/provisional-tables.htm

 

LOL. 50 is 165,000 deaths.
Your going to need to do much better.

 

I don't know who Q is. The basis of this thread is the CDC data.

Candace Owens is cool though. She should run for Congress some day. But that's not the topic of this thread.

Does the demand, "Post stats or go away," sound familiar??? Or we must all "Do as you say, not as you do."

 

Actually it is you who should post stats about an absence of negative effect of lockdown.
My point is simple
if medical facility is closed
if person is afraid to go to medical facility
then he/she might die prematurely.
If you think it is not true provide stats that counter that logic.

 

165,000 out of 2.7 to 3.0 million.

Yes, well that is the range from 1999 - 2016. Eighteen years. Don't should the messenger. I didn't invent the numbers, but I'm supposed to "do much better". Much better than posting real data? LOL

 

And like your previous claims regarding suicides...you have ZERO stats

 

Awww...you're trying to hard to rescue this failed thread. Bless your heart