Man in UK jailed for "rape" for poking hole in condom

She consented to protected sex, he forced her into unprotected sex through deception, where is the problem?

 

No it is not, rape is non consensual sex, she did not consent to unprotected sex.

 

It have been shown that women get much lighter sentence that men for same crime, it's not the law in a theoric way but ot what happen on a practical manner. Globallu laws are a blurry context for judge to act along their fantasy of the day. Women on men isn't even considered possible in many countries and so on.

 

Its interesting that you think forcing a woman into a form of sex she has not agreed to is not "real rape".
The maximum sentence for rape in the UK is life imprisonment. The same as murder.

 

You keep conflating insemination with sex.

If a man has consensual sex with a woman but he lied and tells her he has had a vasectomy when he has not, is that "rape" too?

 

Well what can I tell you other than England has medieval rape laws on the books.

He was stupid to admit to rape. When questioned by cops, they are not your friends.

 

Of course it is, why can you not understand that you cannot give consent when someone is obtaining that consent through deception.

 

Frankly I want to read the contract he and she signed defining her kind of sex. Do you have a contract?

 

Are you suggesting it is ok to deceive a person into having sex with you?

 

I am waiting to see the contract each agreed to. Verbal contracts are troublesome for all of us. It is he said she said.

 

I would refer you to this thread, as only one example:
Only 2 out of 6 of Rochdale grooming gang remain in prison

 

Putting on a condom is an intention to have protected sex do you disagree?

 

What is the maximum sentence for rape in the UK?

 

That is accurate. Rape is the item I question.

 

It doesn't matter, they so rarely ever get the maximum.
That tells us nothing of what the typical punishment is for a normal "standard" rape.

 

So we agree that she consented to protected sex.
She did not agree to unprotected sex and putting on the condom showed she had a contract for protected sex.
He forced her into non consensual sex by tampering with the condom.
Non consensual sex is rape.

 

Ronald Hillman, this is just a hunch, but which country do you live in?
I suspect it is not in the US.

 

He didn't force her to do anything. If anything it was fraud and deceit.
If he had forced her to do anything, she would have screamed "No, no!" while it was taking place.

 

Are you suggesting that if she had known that the condom had been tampered with whilst she was having sex that is not exactly what she would of said,
No,no get the **** out of me?

 

You are using that to infer an implicit agreement existed.

Unless there was some sort of contract signed and viewed by a third party witness, I think it is fair to assume there was no explicit agreement.

 

What we agree to do is review the actual court evidence.
Most here complain she did not get raped. You allege she was raped.

What is American law on this matter?

 

I see no evidence she got pregnant.

Will you produce evidence she got pregnant? That would demonstrate actual harm.

 

Stop deflecting and show how she consented to unprotected sex. American law has nothing to do with it, this was a British court.

 

So you are suggesting it is only rape if actual bodily harm takes place? We are discussing rape not pregnancy!

 

Ronald Hillman, I want to thank you for entering into this thread and arguing. Although I personally find your views completely nuts and whacky, I believe it is important that other persons who are more of my opinion see the statements in posts like yours and recognize that there are many other people like you out there.

One of the faults I have noticed in conservatives is they are so complacent in their own worldview that it is nearly impossible for them to imagine there is another big group of people out there who can think in a way that appears (relatively speaking of course) so insane.
So they can't even fight this stuff, because they can't even imagine it exists or that there would be many people who would actually take such ideas seriously.

Sometimes when people are set in certain worldviews, it can be very difficult or near impossible to place themselves in the shoes of a different worldview. (I mean not to agree with it, but just to understand how other people could think that way)
That is something I've noticed with several other issues.